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Yes 6-beat kick is Rachel’s default kick pattern, and she has a very refined rotational kick which is the 2-beat kick. As long as a clean rotational kick is there, the 2-, 4–, 6- beat kick is personal preference. Stu Mindbodyandswim.com |
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![]() Hey Ant:
Although this video is more slow motion analysis, this is Coach Mandy before and after TI video. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=82kycjcg4EY. She became plagued with shoulder injuries beginning at age 14, and walked away from swimming at 17 - too painful, although she was very fast 100 and 200 freestyler. Now Mandy’s swimming with no pain (overuse injury is still there), longer distances, faster than ever before. Stu MindBodyAndSWIM.com |
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![]() Hello Stuart,
that's really impressive! (Even more with your illustrating words.) Did Mandy ever have a talk about these differences with her former coaches, and if what do they think about? In my last pooltime (pooltalk with some strokes is a better word for this) with my friend and former high performance swimmer, she said. In her active time, they trained very much technique not far away from TI's ideas in theorey, but measurable pace always was the better argument. She's very open minded to all TI-stuff, she can do every drill/movement at once without any hand on (although she she's surprised how "strange" it feels, she's been with TI long before we talked about especially in the "feeling for the water" Which is most important for her)... And she said, I should see "good, moderate pace" (her "good, moderate pace" is very near to my fastest :-( ) more as help for the drills/movement of my students than as result... And there we're running into a hen and egg "problem". Best regards, Werner |
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![]() Hi Werner,
Unfortunately, too much time had elapsed after swim team and the coaches had moved on while Mandy was in college. I doubt if they would've listened much since it was all about power and strength, 6000+ yards mornings and eves. In their defense though, they were coaching the kids as they had been coached over the years that was obviously successful *for them*. Perceptions at that time (late 90's early 2000's), including mine, were if you weren't icing your shoulders after every swim workout, you weren't working hard enough. This was especially true for the girls in their teens on the team. I saw several swimmers go out for shoulder surgery, only to return briefly, then never saw them again. Very fast kids and fun to watch them swim, sad to see them leave the sport. When Mandy went to Ortho doc to eval her shoulder, and he saw the overuse damage in xray and mri - his only solution was, as he said, "stop swimming, find another sport". Coaches offered no advice other than rest and go to the injury lane. Although that news was obviously tough to hear, the Doc was correct, but left off one very important statement : "stop swimming *that way* or find another sport". However I have noticed the club teams have changed drastically since Mandy was on club. They are much more focused on improving skills and not building strength on all strokes; sets are much shorter closer to their events they are racing. And I no longer see kids icing shoulders which is a great thing. Stu mindbodyandswim.com |
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Has the dial-down in dangerous intensity workouts happened universally? Or, I guess I should ask, what are the elite, Olympic and International Competition level swimmers and their coaches doing? |
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![]() Hello Stuart,
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A sister of one of my students (12/13years) has achieved to go to a special school for football/soccer. Her motto (and that of her coaches too): If it doesn't hurt in the evening, something has been done wrong daywhile. I'm afraid most of the high performance athletes in every sport are paying their performance directly with health or indirect with doping... and we're enjoyed and admiring them... Let's hope TI will never get caught in such "coaching bubbles" as Terry called... @Sclim some years ago (a year after I started self-coaching TI) Hamburg's team "Trainieren für Olympia" had to swim in the pool where I swam. Construction problems in their pool, where they're regularly for their own and closed for public. Surprising had been four things to me - their continous (training)pace and the doubtless long swam distance (I guess it might have been around 6km) - the coaches on deck didn't shout (like the coaches for the "normal" Triathlons do), loudest were some short laughs together with the swimmers. - all of the athletes swam with nearly no splashes... even on fly-laps - seemed every swimmer got short talks with individual hints one and then. (Was not allowed to hear what they talked about.) Best regards, Werner |
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Speed = stroke length x stroke rate By traveling farther on each stroke, you MUST get faster if stroke rate stays the same. By stroking faster, you MUST get faster--but only IF (and it's a big "if") your stroke does not get shorter as you speed up. Many people spin their arms faster but actually shorten their stroke so much that they end up slower. The really interesting parts of training to me is learning to choose a specific target stroke length and stroke rate to get the speed you desire. That involves two things: holding SPL steady as stroke rate increases (i.e. working to keep your stroke long as you stroke faster), AND decreasing SPL (lengthening your stroke) while the stroke rate stays the same. To do that, it is really useful to develop the ability to swim comfortably at every stroke length (SPL) in your green zone. I work on that with sets like this: 5 (4 x 25m) @ 14 SPL, 15 SPL, 16 SPL, 15 SPL, 14 SPL I almost always end up faster at the end of the set than I was at the beginning. Switching gears and using different stroke lengths lets you learn how to keep your stroke long as you speed up stroke rate. Last edited by Tom Pamperin : 06-19-2018 at 01:54 PM. |
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