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Old 07-15-2009
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Default Loosing balance and alignment

I have read the 2004 edition of the Total Immersion method and watched the DVD Free Style Made Easy, but I have had problmes applying the drills and transition to the flowing swimming. Is there any update of the drills or the way they are presented?
My major problem now is loosing the balance and alignement when breathing. On the oposite side (non-breathing) I have a nice effortless glide, but when I stroke the other side I sink and struggled. I have been trying not to cross the middle line with my hand and try to keep it on the same level as if I were not breathing. I had some improvement, but still is not smooth. Could it be that I am missing the right "Two Beat Kick" to help stabilize? Anything else I am missing? What about the exhale - Should it be done by mouth or nose?
Thanks a lot,
Carlos
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Old 07-15-2009
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Edu, my 2BK is characterized by:

a. one-foot flick (i.e., a left foot flick & a right spearing hand),
b. it is a cross 2BK (the shoulder - the one with the spearing hand - is angled, say, anywhere between 40 degrees to 45 degrees angle, brought about by the 2BK) (doing the 2BK vertically does not produce the same effect)
c. hips react first, bringing the shoulder/s to rotate, easing the hand to do the spearing
d. the non-flicking foot just drafts along...

Edu, you can answer your own question...experiment with the 2BK.

I find that doing the superman with a very soft, gentle flutter with sculling hands for breathing assist (do for 1 X 25m) helps before doing the whole stroke with 2BK...

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My major problem now is loosing the balance and alignement when breathing. On the oposite side (non-breathing) I have a nice effortless glide, but when I stroke the other side I sink and struggled.

Could it be that I am missing the right "Two Beat Kick" to help stabilize? Anything else I am missing? What about the exhale - Should it be done by mouth or nose? Thanks a lot, Carlos
Carlos, exhaling should be done from the NOSE. Otherwise water will get inside your nose as you turn your head to breath.

A few things you can try related to breathing (I have gone through this myself...)

1. CHECK SYMMETRY in your stroke, ROTATE on both sides !
I have always been breathing, every 2, on the right side (easier). When trying to breath on the left, I would find my head under water. Why? because always breathing on the right gave me good rotation on the right side but my left rotation would be flat. So if body does not rotate left, head/mouth are underwater
--> I make it a point now to breath every 3 to ensure my stroke is symmetrical in terms of rotation and I am comfortable to breath on both side (very useful in the sea)

2. BODY ROTATION + HEAD ROTATION
What is also critical to understand is that Head rotation also has to happen (together with body rotation). I have read great advice on the TI Forum like "Make sure your chin follows the shoulder that gets our of the water".

3. GLIDE ARM EXTENDED (do not pull too soon)
As your head turns left to breath, make sure your gliding arm (right) stays extended. If it starts pulling/folding too soon your head may go under.

Hope at least one of these help.

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Old 07-15-2009
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I have read the 2004 edition of the Total Immersion method and watched the DVD Free Style Made Easy, but I have had problmes applying the drills and transition to the flowing swimming. Is there any update of the drills or the way they are presented?
My major problem now is loosing the balance and alignement when breathing. On the oposite side (non-breathing) I have a nice effortless glide, but when I stroke the other side I sink and struggled. I have been trying not to cross the middle line with my hand and try to keep it on the same level as if I were not breathing. I had some improvement, but still is not smooth. Could it be that I am missing the right "Two Beat Kick" to help stabilize? Anything else I am missing? What about the exhale - Should it be done by mouth or nose?
Thanks a lot,
Carlos
Hey Carlos - I had a similar problem with loosing balance and sinking . With the help of Coach Brian i figured out that i was rotating way to much. Everything fell into place for me when i learned to rotate just enough to clear my shoulder. I now have plenty of time to get a bite of air and i knowlonger have a sinking senstation while breathing. Try and experiment with your rotation. Got to the following link and read some of coach Brian's articles. http://fdscoaching.com. They are excellent!!!. Additionally i swim without kicking, and have found that with slight rotation my legs can ride high and just dangle behind me. I hope to learn the 2 beat kick someday but i found that adding the 2 beat kick in before i had good balance in the water was too much for me to try and focus on.
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Jon,

Thanks for the compliments!

Carlos,

I recommend getting the newer books and DVDs. Extraordinary Swimming for Everybody has the most current set of drills for all four strokes. The Easy Freestlye DVD has videos of the most current drills, especially Swim and Nod, which might help you with your breathing problems.

Do you feel that you have a symmetrical stroke when you aren't breathing? Catch your breath, push-off, and swim 8 - 10 strokes (or as many as you can do comfortable) without breathing. If your left side and right side are symmetrical, Swim and Nod will help you learn to keep the same strokes during the breath.
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Old 07-20-2009
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Coach Brian,
Thank you for the advices.
I have a symetrical swimming when not breathing and noding before breathing is helping. I will get the book and DVD.
Carlos
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Edu, my 2BK is characterized by:

a. one-foot flick (i.e., a left foot flick & a right spearing hand),
b. it is a cross 2BK (the shoulder - the one with the spearing hand - is angled, say, anywhere between 40 degrees to 45 degrees angle, brought about by the 2BK) (doing the 2BK vertically does not produce the same effect)
c. hips react first, bringing the shoulder/s to rotate, easing the hand to do the spearing
d. the non-flicking foot just drafts along...

Edu, you can answer your own question...experiment with the 2BK.

I find that doing the superman with a very soft, gentle flutter with sculling hands for breathing assist (do for 1 X 25m) helps before doing the whole stroke with 2BK...

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Hi there. Thanks kindly for your attention. I just have problem with the non-flicking foot...As you say, it just drafts along. Do you men it does not move downward? See, what is happening is that by stroking the non-flicking foot, it drags the leg to the bottom and with it thelower body, casusing drag, unbalance and difficult breathing. Do you see the point?
Thanks kindly,
Carlos
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Old 07-21-2009
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Hi there. Thanks kindly for your attention. I just have problem with the non-flicking foot...As you say, it just drafts along. Do you men it does not move downward? See, what is happening is that by stroking the non-flicking foot, it drags the leg to the bottom and with it thelower body, casusing drag, unbalance and difficult breathing. Do you see the point?
Thanks kindly,
Carlos
I'm just going to throw these out and maybe something sticks.

1. Are you sure that your recovery hand is penetratiing with as little force as possible. I had the problem of putting too much force as I penetrated the water in the hopes that I would generate forward momentum. It was creating turbulence and pulling me deeper in the water paticularly when I recovered with the right hand. Now with softer hands, I find myself closer too the air all of the time.

2. I just put in the true two beat kick so I'm no specialist. But shouldn't each leg return to the top after the kick? If your 2BK is pulling you down, you might reduce the amplitude on it so that it creates less turbulence.

3. As I have tried to put in wide tracks, I had noticed that my head seems to have less support in the water when I breathed. But what has helped is being a little less patient on my lead hand. I had gotten in the habit of pulling and gliding with lead hand in patient position well into the recovery of my pulling arm. Now I'm more inclined to "anchor" and pull as soon as my recovery hand hits the water. Watch Shinji. His patient hand is moving a soon as his recovery hand hits the water. You got to make sure you're not moving it too early because you're unbalanced which may mean you need to slow your recovery arm down as you glide off its pull. But as soon as your hand penetrates the water , be ready to anchor and pull with the opposite arm. When I do this correctly, I'm much more likely to time my flicks with the pull and the result is wonderful. Combined with soft hands, I find that breathing has become a lot less dramatic. In fact I'm worried about not rotating enough which when coupled with having no trouble getting to air means that I have markedly reduced my "sinkability".

4. I guess what I'm saying is that with me the key to buoyancy is to create as little turbulance with my hands and my feet. If you feel like you are sinking, then experiment starting with a superman glide. Add whole stroke using varying amounts of force behind your hands on recovery. See if you get relief (you are closer to air) when you rotate to breathe. Do the same thing with your flicks on your 2BK. If you find you are having less of a problem the more you take off your recovery (and maybe your flicks), you have your answer.
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