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![]() Hi Andy and deprevish,
was it just an isolated test you did, or did it affect your swimming afterwards (1 or 2 days)? Regards, Werner |
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![]() Andy,
Yes, I remember the toddler days myself, the added weight of a kid on your back changes the exercise just a bit! Werner, I don't know for sure, but I think that that it's negligible when I swim after such a workout. It may make for some sore muscles, but does not inhibit my swimming that I can tell. Like I had mentioned before, it's just part of core work to keep me stable in the triathlon training that I'm doing. I seldom get sore when I'm done swimming even for an hour or two except for the traps ; maybe that is an indicator of lack of a good catch technique?? Or maybe I need to join the Masters again as I was in a couple years ago, that was a good thrashing. Not much here in south central WY along that lines.
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![]() Hi Dave,
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![]() Werner,
Once I achieve the "perpetual motion swimming" that I am striving for I may feel more of a burn an soreness afterwards. I found it in running and it's a great relaxer, somewhat of an equilibrium achieved between effort and pace. The feeling that you can go on for miles. I think when I get dialed in on breathing right again it will turn into this; hoping so soon at least. It seems to be a bit of a challenge making the transition to breathing in good TI form.
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I would like to suggest on your next opportunity that you shift focus to a proper recovery with elbow leading...this will open up the lats which are really never opened and never properly accessed here. The elbow remains bent and the forearm appears to enter in a "blocking" motion, as if you were defending yourself from a blow to the head with your forearm. The subsequent extension is simply sweeping to the side and pressing down. Were she my student, I'd take the rate back down to 50 ish SPM, and work on her recovery and entry, while keeping core engagment between hips & shoulders as this will set her up for continued improvement on her pull. Good work Charles, keep up the good case studies and descriptions!!
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Suzanne Atkinson, MD Level 3 USAT Coach USA Paralympic Triathlon Coach Coach of 5 time USA Triathlon Triathlete of the Year, Kirsten Sass Steel City Endurance, LTD Fresh Freestyle |
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![]() Charles,
I had a little thought pertinent to this thread yesterday after my first swim in ages. You were wondering why elite swimmers struggle to swim as slowly as most people swim at max pace, so I tried to think of a similar situation and I found one. Paper aeroplanes. If someone gave you a competition winning glider and asked you to throw it only 15 feet it would be very hard, just as hard as trying to get a child's first effort to fly at least 15 feet. So somewhere in your question aerodynamics or for us hydrodynamics are a large part of your answer. So my thought for the day next time will be, if my swimming profile was a paper aeroplane, what would it look like? :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsjdGLwZ1a8 |
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I donno, I agree of course. But she has no control once the hand enters. She paddles laterally, etc. She's a huge sculler. At 1.4, she pulls as large as a breaststroker. And besides, I donno. I may rather trade for straighter recovery in her case I'm not sure yet. Good point though, I'll keep this in mind as an option. Quote:
I'm definitely going to settle this dryland though. In other words, there will be a recovery dimension to part of the solution. Quote:
Sorry for the style of coaching, that's a student part of our tri program, so this is not your usual client/coach relationship lol |
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![]() Charles, I see/sense your frustrations.
maybe I can make a video to demonstrate what I mean or maybe I already have. you need to separate the stroke from the recovery /entry. She is sculling because she is "stroking" and that is interfering with her brain's abilitity to change the entry portion. She's blind to changing the end of her entry becuase she thinks she must scull as part of her stroke. I my recovery lessons we might cover swing skate & swing switch. When those are correct it eliminates most of the scull at least form the midline to the extention. There may still remain an outsweep but it's a start! I have made several videos while I was in Kona. I'm sure one or two address this.
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Suzanne Atkinson, MD Level 3 USAT Coach USA Paralympic Triathlon Coach Coach of 5 time USA Triathlon Triathlete of the Year, Kirsten Sass Steel City Endurance, LTD Fresh Freestyle |
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![]() Hi Charles,
Big improvement obviously from first to second. I think you can help her here with one of the platforms Terry talks about. Visualization - simply getting her to imagine a good spot to push her hand to, like a "target" hanging in the water at 45 degree angle (adjust as necessary but she won't hit 45 degrees because her instinct is to go flat). Every stroke concentrate just on hitting that target with her fingertips. Then don't stroke, but rotate through the core to the next target. Make that her ONLY focus point for a number of lengths, then alternate that focus point with simply swimming. If she's an athlete she'll have no trouble maintaining a SR in the 60 region. I will make another post which refers to your first post in the thread. Regards, Craig |
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