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Old 02-15-2013
andyinnorway andyinnorway is offline
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Default Swim speed vs shoulder strength?

For me, Sun Yang is one of the leaner elite swimmers and yet when you look at this picture his shoulders are still suitably impressive.

Now regardless of perfectly efficient technique, I wonder how direct the relationship is between how much you can shoulder press and either your sprint or 1500m swimming speed?

I'm at least testing this with some shoulder free weight exercises.
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Old 02-16-2013
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For me, Sun Yang is one of the leaner elite swimmers and yet when you look at this picture his shoulders are still suitably impressive.

Now regardless of perfectly efficient technique, I wonder how direct the relationship is between how much you can shoulder press and either your sprint or 1500m swimming speed?

I'm at least testing this with some shoulder free weight exercises.
My opinion, there's no relationship between shoulder press 1-rm and swim performance at freestyle. Shoulder muscles (we're talking a rather complex muscle structure) are mostly engaged whilst recovering the arm above water, and also to maintain proper swim form.

Most if not all elite swimmers do weights.

More importantly, at that level, most athletes are so genetically gifted that they often display acute hypertrophy response, even to endurance based activities.

1 of my athletes in the 90s wasn't doing any weights at all. Pure endurance athlete (vo2max = 76ml/kg/min, so extremely gifted). He would regularly be asked to undress in his anatomy classes to show the class this muscle or that muscle. You'd basically see them all (example distinguishing the adductor longus muscle from the satorius, vs rectus femoris, etc).

In fact it's him here... You can on this pic (which is recent, so 2 decades after) distinguish a few lower leg muscles (example distinguishing the peroneus longus from the tibialis anterior). That's genetic, they develop muscle mass just by lifting the remote when listening to TV.



Head coach of Calgary swim club, a master! Once gave a master class in our university. He had confirmed that the lat pull up exercise (chin up) was a the center of Mark Tewkesberry's preparation leading to his Gold Medal (olympic record performance) over 100m back in Barcelona 92. I thought this made sense at the time, and I still do.

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Old 02-17-2013
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thanks Charles, I'm doing pull ups too this last month. wings make you fly in the pool?
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Old 02-17-2013
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thanks Charles, I'm doing pull ups too this last month. wings make you fly in the pool?
Hi Andy,

I think they do make you fly in the pool. There's one guy who's training with me and has no wings (very small lats he has), it takes him an extra 2-3 strokes to complete a length. My lats are good and I have the longest DPS among them all and I think its because of my stronger lats specially since I have lost 7 kgs of pure fat :D I can swing my arms better now and push with more force ;)
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