swimtraining with TI like stuff in it

[Zenturtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJKhOLpv0Oo

Looks a bit oldschool to me now. Dont like the overrolling hips relative to the smaller shoulder roll, that sets up the core at he low side line too litle in my opinion, but for the rest, pretty decent swimming.

Thanks zen

It has our old favourites, Unco, Closed Fist and Longdog.

What was new to me was Catch and Throw but using a big paddle.

Something for us to try tomorrow.

[CoachJamesEwart]

Originally Posted by paul2121

Thanks zen

It has our old favourites, Unco, Closed Fist and Longdog.

What was new to me was Catch and Throw but using a big paddle.

Something for us to try tomorrow.

Th Unco drill?

[CoachJamesEwart]

Originally Posted by paul2121

Thanks zen

It has our old favourites, Unco, Closed Fist and Longdog.

What was new to me was Catch and Throw but using a big paddle.

Something for us to try tomorrow.

"our old favourites"? Please explain "our"

Originally Posted by Zenturtle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJKhOLpv0Oo

Looks a bit oldschool to me now. Dont like the overrolling hips relative to the smaller shoulder roll, that sets up the core at he low side line too litle in my opinion, but for the rest, pretty decent swimming.

This is great, something i was figuring out last week is the hip moving down in time for entry so your not reaching across your body in a twist,
you need to be beginning to ride the right hip as the right arm is heading for entry otherwise you are reaching across your body in a twist this stunts fwd momentum.

Its subtle but wxplained well here by Cokie lepinski

https://youtu.be/O-TygMAyvtg

[Zenturtle]

Right, I showed that video a few times also. indeed the differnce is subtle from the outside, but when you know the differnce, the diffeence in swim perception is substantial.
When I started swimming I was intrigued by the power from the hips mantra and rolled my hips a lot to extract that mystical power from it.
Simply rolling the hips is useless and even counterproductive.
The hips are part of a kinetic chain and need to be controlled in amplitude to extract the optimal amount of power following that kinetic chain.
Just when throwing a ball or boxing or throwing a spear or golfing; swinging your hips without proper connection to the rest of the motions of the body is just silly.

you might focus on the roll of your low side hip when swimming slow. Mostly the hip overrolls and has to be rolled back all the way to the other side every stroke. Like a big mass is attached to your hips that keeps on rolling when it has gained momentum. females suffer more from it than males usually, which makes sense.
Now control that hips roll and transfer the rol of the hip to the shoulder , so that the shoulder is taken along with the hip rotation, while you lenghten and reach with the low side of the body.
Now the roll of the hips decreases and the roll of the shoulder increases a bit.
That takes some muscle tension and tone to accomplish, but you will get rid of the overshoot and feel that your body tracks more straight and forward.
You simply eliminate superfluous and unneeded extra motion from your stroke.

[Zenturtle]

And this was Quick before Boomer influenced him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3YE2JjJpRA

A lot of kicking....

Originally Posted by Zenturtle

Right, I showed that video a few times also. indeed the differnce is subtle from the outside, but when you know the differnce, the diffeence in swim perception is substantial.
When I started swimming I was intrigued by the power from the hips mantra and rolled my hips a lot to extract that mystical power from it.
Simply rolling the hips is useless and even counterproductive.
The hips are part of a kinetic chain and need to be controlled in amplitude to extract the optimal amount of power following that kinetic chain.
Just when throwing a ball or boxing or throwing a spear or golfing; swinging your hips without proper connection to the rest of the motions of the body is just silly.

you might focus on the roll of your low side hip when swimming slow. Mostly the hip overrolls and has to be rolled back all the way to the other side every stroke. Like a big mass is attached to your hips that keeps on rolling when it has gained momentum. females suffer more from it than males usually, which makes sense.
Now control that hips roll and transfer the rol of the hip to the shoulder , so that the shoulder is taken along with the hip rotation, while you lenghten and reach with the low side of the body.
Now the roll of the hips decreases and the roll of the shoulder increases a bit.
That takes some muscle tension and tone to accomplish, but you will get rid of the overshoot and feel that your body tracks more straight and forward.
You simply eliminate superfluous and unneeded extra motion from your stroke.

Yes, tone on the skate edge, i went to the pool tonight with that in mind and i opened up with that fingertips to toes then relaxed through the transition and firmed up again on the other skate edge, that is how you get the fast skate on egde, without tone it's very lacklustre, i must have had the apperance of doing virtually nothing but rocketing along :-)

[daveblt]

Originally Posted by Mushroomfloat

Yes, tone on the skate edge, i went to the pool tonight with that in mind and i opened up with that fingertips to toes then relaxed through the transition and firmed up again on the other skate edge, that is how you get the fast skate on egde, without tone it's very lacklustre, i must have had the apperance of doing virtually nothing but rocketing along :-)

So, you roll to one side , extend from the shoulder while keeping the arm relaxed with pinky down and at the exact same time the leg on the same side is poised in the upbeat position ,the whole body is long stretched and balanced like you are on your tippy toes then repeat to the other side .

Dave