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Old 08-05-2013
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26 April Swim2bFree asked

Andy, the pattern in your signature data is striking. What are your thoughts on this? Do you feel that TI is helping you?

I told him that I didn't think my swimming pool conditions in Norway were helping me. I've only swum about 4 times since then including a 1:48 5k open water swim in May and a 30.30 1500m swim leg of an olympic triathlon.

This month I'm celebrating my return to the UK with a month of planned daily swims and a 1 mile open water race in the London docks on the 31st, so I feel its time to put S2B3's question to the test.

I'll post each of my swims on this thread and bold, underline and italic any of my 2011/2012 times I manage to improve on.

3rd August.

400m warm up 7:45

2x600m aerobic technical set

50m 4 stroke breathing - 50m fast stroke rate
100m 1500m pace 2bk
50m long DPS
50m open water sighting each stroke
100m 1500m pace 6bk
50m left side breathing
50m breast stroke
100m 200m pace


11:58 - 11:42

4x50m sprint 42-41-42-42
2x100m sprint 1:37 - 1:37

5th August

400m warm up 7:21
4x250m CSS pace effort - 4:20 - 4:10 - 4:17 - 4:23

no records yet but I'm feeling confident. My fitness is good, just need to get some swimming conditioning and the numbers will fall :)

help and encouragement from the TI community welcome as always.
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Following with anticipation!
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Old 08-06-2013
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Thanks for following up on this, Andy. I'm genuinely interested.
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4x250m CSS pace effort - 4:20 - 4:10 - 4:17 - 4:23
Isn't your CSS a bit over estimated here?
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Isn't your CSS a bit over estimated here?
perhaps I am misquoting CSS. I just used it as a reference for strong aerobic effort but non sprint. e.g. something that is challenging but I am able to complete multiple intervals of.
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today was endurance - pool/lane conditions good. (4 polite people in the lane)

3.2km pool swim with 400m pace test after 600m

400m in 7:05 which I was pleased with as its a good indicator that my first 1500m time trial at the end of the week will be sub 30 minutes.

finished the session with

tt1.14 4x50 all 0:44 seconds (16SPL)

2x100m 1:35, 1:34

early indicators are good.

tomorrow is a rest day
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CSS would be 1:48/100 based on 7:00/400 and 3:24/200 in 2013 and about 4:30/250.

You are doing some sprint work. Popov's coach Gennadi Touretski had him swim some workouts like this: 24 strokes for 100 meters; swim at that number (24)until he achieved his fastest time for that distance (100 meters). Then and only then, would he allow Popov to add a stroke and repeat at that number (25) until he minimized his time. [Aside: probably the only way to determine fastest time at a certain stroke count is trial and error]

So Popov's Olympic swim for 100 meters was about 34 strokes even though he could take a leisurely 7 strokes for 25 meters--and certainly not win any medals at that stroke count. Some analysts believe Popov was able to beat Gary Hall, Jr. because Popov's DPS declined less than Gary's if you concede that their stroke rates were about equal.

Do you think a sprint workout similar to Popov's would help you?

I am also following your progress with much interest. Good luck. MJM
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perhaps I am misquoting CSS. I just used it as a reference for strong aerobic effort but non sprint. e.g. something that is challenging but I am able to complete multiple intervals of.
Yeap, definitely not CSS training. That's more of a vo2max session.

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Do you think a sprint workout similar to Popov's would help you?
There's an almost (if not most of the time spot on) linear relationship between speed over 100 and critical swim speed, as surprising as this might sound. Yet, very few people get it ;-)

I'd assume that for a TI swimmer, this relationship be linear pretty much all the time.

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Go Andy!!! :) You're a winner! The rest is inevitable.
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I'd assume that for a TI swimmer, this relationship be linear pretty much all the time.
Meaning an SDI of 1?
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