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Fixing a falling elbow by speeding up tempo as noted in video, it's hard to believe SS and Dave would endorse swimming slowly correctly before swimming fast. I've had many "falling elbow" swimmers come to me with both fast and slow turnover rates, shoulder driven swinging leading hand recovery, and leading elbow recovery, hip driven stroke (TI). Here are a few simple steps for swimmers to keep the elbow from dropping:
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5'7, 5'6 worth of arm span male, sometimes missing the pack, missing the pack all the time as soon as water conditions get rough, been plateaued for 2 years in the water, running performances improving and same for bike. How would you coach him? More specifically, what would be lowish rate work and highish rate work. In which range would you keep him. And during threshold sets or whatever you call the process of getting to T1 with lead swimmers, that sort of swimming. Which rates would you be aiming for? (I'm interested in any TI coach's opinion obviously, and really just casual around a good beer in a pub chatting) Last edited by CharlesCouturier : 07-26-2013 at 01:14 AM. |
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I find it satisfying to dialogue with you because you do clearly give that sense of genuine interest in exchanging views--and perhaps finding the common ground that almost always exist even when perspectives may differ. In my earlier post which noted that our focus is seldom on podium finishers, I took pains to note that it's mainly because it's exceedingly rare that one will seek us out. In part it's because usually they're doing pretty well already and are inclined to stay with what's working. In part because what's working for them--in swimming--is, as you've noted, something very different from what they perceive as the TI way. However, I have no doubt whatsoever that--given the opportunity to provide some coaching to an elite triathlete, even one who swims near the top of the pack, I could find a way to help them, while remaining absolutely true to TI Methodology. This confidence comes from having coached swimmers who are far faster than any current triathlete. And partly from having so much OW experience myself. Your query is quite timely because there's an elite triathlete who lives in New Paltz, who was two lanes away from me 30 minutes ago in our 50m pool. She was USTA rookie of the year a few years back, and has since won several major races--including the NYC Triathlon more than once. I've offered to introduce her to TT practice. She has expressed interest, most recently last weekend when we shared a lane. She recently had a baby and is thus in a lower-key phase right now. I'll see if we can begin this week and will start a new thread to chronicle some of what we do. As for that 5'6" maie, I can offer Nicholas Sterghos, who has had consistent podium finishes the last few years. He won the Armed Forces Triathlon earlier this month. Nicholas joined the West Point Tri team at the beginning of 2009. In his first tri Philadelphia International June 2009, he swam 27+. Same course two years later he went 18:13. I've never seen any other triathlete improve that much in two years -- something on the order of Joe Novak's improvement in 50-100 free a decade earlier at Army. But where Joe is 6'4" Nicholas is 5'6" Here is video that describes Nicholas's training and shows the two of us swimming side by side in Mirror Lake (LP IM course)--with him matching me stroke for stroke with a wingspan about 6" less. The part referencing Nicholas starts at about 1:10.
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A psychological disorder is: "Any personal construction which is used repeatedly in spite of consistent invalidation." ~ George Kelly "The water is your friend.....you don't have to fight with water, just share the same spirit as the water, and it will help you move." ~ Aleksandr Popov |
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![]() Keeping in mind that Nicholas is only 5'6" and I'm 6'0" -- with a rather long and efficient stroke for my height--it is indeed impressive that he can match me while we both swim at same -- semi-brisk -- Tempo.
This clip was taken only two years after he quit being a runner, because of chronic stress fractures, and showed up to his first Army Triathlon swim practice.
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![]() I take that as a "yes" then
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A psychological disorder is: "Any personal construction which is used repeatedly in spite of consistent invalidation." ~ George Kelly "The water is your friend.....you don't have to fight with water, just share the same spirit as the water, and it will help you move." ~ Aleksandr Popov |
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![]() One can hold little hope in convincing the rest after watching the 1500 m freestyle final with Yang and Cochrane as the main carachters.
It was so evident, and for the first time he was clearly defied, that the Chinese based his performance on technique, enlarging every stroke, not using his legs much (which consumes much more oxygen than propulsion you get in return), relaxing to a certain point, entering the water with relaxing arms, more or less, and holding a little extra for the end, while the Canadian gave it all based on his stamina, breath, natural and trained strength, which ended up giving up and letting the Chinese go ahead as he accelerated a little bit and used his legs more at the end of the race (3-4 last turns). |
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![]() This is my first post on this forum.
I find all this "debate" moot. I have tried and tried for decades and decades to learn to swim. UNSUCCESSFULLY. I have run dozens of marathons ... no problem. I regularly cycle 100 mpw. Yet I could not swim. I couldn't swim to the end of a 25M pool. Even with restarts along the way when I got there I was winded. How does that happen? I BQ when I race marathons. Then I found Total Immersion. Swimming finally makes sense to me. I have done my first tri and am now looking at my first HIM. So all this questioning of the validity of TI is white noise to me. I am finally swimming. |
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