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Old 09-07-2012
AE AE is offline
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Default Rehab after shoulder surgery

I am a 41 year old TI swimmer from Israel. Due to a non-swimming accident I hurt my shoulder and two weeks ago had a surgery to repair a completely torn long biceps tendon and a torn rotator cuff tendon. This is very frustrating and shuttered my plans to participate in the coming open water events (the most interesting one is the annual 'three days-three seas' which consists of three 10k swims, each day in a different sea - sea of galilee, mediterranean sea and the red sea). I am currently in a sling for 4 weeks starting passive rehabilitation. I would be very intrested to hear from the rehabilitation experience of others - tips and drills are more than welcome. Thank you.
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Old 09-09-2012
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Hi AE,

That's a really tough injury to recover from. I had torn rotator (ice hockey related injury) and took about two months of biweekly PT sessions before getting back in pool. Luckily no surgery, but no longer have the range of motion I once had. And even after getting back to pool (after 2 months of PT), could no longer swim longer than 20, 30 mins in warm pool - deep shoulder ache, but that was before TI. Once learning how to take pressure off shoulders, engage core and swim with entire body - no more pain, and now easily swim for hours, 10k+ What level or how long have you been practicing/swimming Total Immersion? Have you taken workshop, self-coached?

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Old 03-05-2016
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Default Terry's blog / other ideas re: assisting recovery from shoulder surgery through TI

I remember years ago Terry had blog-type entries in one or a few issues of the Ti periodical concerning his use of TI to speed recovery after rotator cuff / Bankart lesion surgery. Are these still accessible? Do others have specific suggestions? I will be having rotator cuff repair soon. Thanks
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Old 04-08-2016
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Default Light Weight Shoulder Workout

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I remember years ago Terry had blog-type entries in one or a few issues of the Ti periodical concerning his use of TI to speed recovery after rotator cuff / Bankart lesion surgery. Are these still accessible? Do others have specific suggestions? I will be having rotator cuff repair soon. Thanks
Iíve never had a rotator cuff injury that required surgery, but I have shoulder bursitis and the light weight shoulder workout is a routine that Iíve been doing daily for the past three years and itís been very helpful for me. Itís my warm up when I go to the gym. When I go to the swimming pool, I do the same routine but without weights.

This is the text explanation of the light weight shoulder workout:

For those who need a visual explanation of the light weight shoulder workout:

Take heed of the suggestion to only use 5 or 7 pounds max dumbbell or weight plate. After one set, 5 pounds feels like 10 lbs. After two sets, it feels like 20 lbs.

Good luck on your post-rotator cuff surgery recovery.
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Old 08-21-2017
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Default Recovery from rotator cuff surgery - success through persistence

Thanks Sojomojo, I just got back to this thread and will be trying Stew Smith's workout, just not sure about the military presses which my surgeon advised against. Maybe with 0-5lb though..

In the hope that it might help someone else in this situation I wanted to fill the gap since ~2/2016 when I first posted about upcoming rotator cuff surgery. The rotator cuff is complex, consisting of 4 distinct muscles, and it can sustain varying levels of damage. One's age and general conditioning come into play wrt recovery as well. I was 66 at the time, in reasonable but not superb condition, and surgery on 3/10/16 showed large, complete tears of the supraspinatus and infraspinatus muscles, which were also retracted (meaning shrunken so the torn ends were separated by an inch or more) and partial tear of the subscapularis. The teres minor was intact, but that one rarely is damaged anyway. There was a lot of inflammation in the joint as the injury occurred 6-7 weeks earlier and the joint was attempting repair as best it could, though there was 0 chance of active range of motion recovery without surgery. Surgery with repair of all damaged structures including insertion of posts that the damaged tendons were attached to was not terrible. Postop was not terrible except for sleep (lack of, need to sleep on a recliner) for the 5 weeks that I needed to wear a Donjoy sling 24-7 except for showering, and no movement of the shoulder was allowed during showering. I actually needed very little pain medicine except for sleep, and only a small amount then for a week or so. So 5 weeks later the sling came off revealing a bone and some skin. All musculature from the scapula (shoulder blade) to the elbow was AWOL. Range of motion was nil and painful. Then slow reconditioning started with PT, which was necessary but not enjoyable, gradually establishing passive range of motion, e.g., by pulling the arm up with the other arm using an overhead pulley and scapular stabilization, then slow rebuilding of active motion using stretch bands and ongoing scapular stabilization and various other tricks of the physical therapy trade. At around 11 weeks postop I got into a pool for the first time figuring the water would be useful as a continuously variable resistance mode but it simply did not work for swimming in any way, shape or form, with partial arm recovery (all the shoulder would do) or even no recovery or simply standing and applying gentle shoulder pressure by rotating the torso with the arm in the water. I did not try formal aquatic therapy, but perhaps that would have worked better. At about 13 weeks I was able to start doing some laps, awkwardly and largely one-armed with an underwater slow, incomplete recovery for the affected arm which would still not extend fully overhead. By 20 weeks I was able to get the affected arm out of the water (mostly, with a lot of body roll, some finger drag) during freestyle recovery for 25 meters at a time. The stroke remained VERY slow and VERY deliberate. I got a lot better at balance. Breast stroke was possible, though, because less shoulder abduction is required during arm recovery. Skipping forward, passive and active range of motion did not fully recover until >12 months postop, and while I have a real shoulder again and can do comfortable freestyle and some butterfly it is still not overly flexible. But I am not 30 years old and the injury was severe and a lot of inflammation was seen at surgery, so "actual mileage may vary." My surgeon was careful to explain to me that the shoulder was "refurbished," not like-new, so I (my words) shouldn't be a jerk with it.

What was most surprising to me about the recovery phase was that there was no change in linear slope of the recovery line. With other injuries and surgery after a certain period of misery the time comes when function starts to recover more rapidly. Following this surgery it was a daily grind-it-out recovery of function from the day the sling came off until now, nearly 18 months later when I am still doing shoulder exercises and scapular stabilization at least several times per week. Think 1/3 of a percent or less improvement per day, for the first 12 months or maybe longer. Progress was fairly steady but it was impossible to see except by comparing function to that of 4-6 weeks earlier.

Would I do it again? re: injuring the shoulder I would much rather not!! ;>). So I am trying not to be a jerk with the shoulder, as advised. re: surgery and inherent postop travails, a definite yes!! There was really no choice, I was unable to elevate the arm from my side at all, either in a forward direction or to the side. I would have been forever unable to swim or do anything else useful with my dominant arm.

Hope this is of some help.

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