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#11
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![]() Well, train your breath first.
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#12
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![]() Thanks for the advice, I manage to somehow relax more so the stroke is less demanding (especially overdoing the catch...) But indeed you are right the breathing is completely off (and with him the rithm :( ).
Nice thing is I've things, many things to practice. |
#13
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![]() I've made further progress, I eased significantly into the stroke. I'm more relaxed, I dive slightly deeper during the hand entry, I feel more in synch with my body undulation, said undultion is more relaxed and efficient.
My catch also feels much much better. Still a demanding stroke for me but Ienjoy now doing 25m (out of 50m) in fly and then finish the length using whatever stroke without feeling like dying. |
#14
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![]() it helped me a lot to do the following two warm ups:
to get the body-wave and the kick-rythm: breast-arm stroke + butterfly kick (at least 2 lanes) 2 kicks: one on entering the water (body wave), one at catching breath 2.5 kicks: a small one like relaxing the legs in between to warm up the arms and get a breath-rythm: one sided crawl (2-4 strokes) then change side (2-4 strokes) then full butterfly (2-4 strokes) then breast-arms + butterfly kick (2-4 strokes) - (at least 2 lanes) to get distance: full dolphin with 0.5 extra kick (the relaxing-leg-kick), slows down, but you can do it forever and recover breath ;) For me it helped to have two different kicks, the first more horizontal (body-wave) for translation - and one for catching breath (more vertical power). |
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I may try the one arm drill and see how my shoulder behave. Quote:
Another thing I found is to dive a little deeper, it definitely ease the stroke at the cost of a lot of speed. While doing so I also found that my arm movement move further away from butterfly "canon", like a "complete" breaststroke movement with a significant outsweep which help going up. the speed is better than in the relaxed (1.5 kick as you say) version of the stroke for me, the strain is mostly the same: I still can keep it going for long. I suspect for the same reasons: tensions, all the motions are not properly connected, losing focus on "dynamic buyoancy": chest pressure, hips elevation. Quote:
Say the body does down-up down-up, it has to be map on the meta undulation down-up-up-down. At least that is how I understand it now. *that is something that bothers me, undulations does not seem to work with the "canon" arm movement for the stroke (minus super flexible shoulders). I can't get the undulation going properly as in breastfly/cobra as no matter the buoyancy going up is still more complicated than going down (and dirty arm exit and recoveries do a quick job at wearing me and throwing me out of rhythm). |
#16
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The relaxing 0.3-0.5 extra kick is more a flapping or juggling - I needed to do it when getting cramps in the lower leg and noticed that it is really helpful when one is used to pool lane distances and in a lake there no wall for resting ; ) I never have been an elite swimmer. I re-started somehow regular swimming at 42ys, and now with 50ys I am a very relaxed butterflyer, not caring for speed, just flying as long as I am in the water (mostly ~50 mins, sometimes 2h) not counting the lanes or rounds in the lake (ok, sometimes counting strokes per lane). Just enjoying the feeling as long as there is time for it. |
#17
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I've followed your advices thought I understood what was wrong with my kick/undulation only a couple days ago. I was relaxing (or so I thought...) I was trying to go with the flow with light flicking kick yet it was not ok, something was wrong. i finally realized (though working my breaststroke) that whereas I was relaxing my leg torso and what not actually my lower back remained quite tense (without me noticing it) which preventing the undulation to feel really connected => tough to get hips elevation, up kicking was not feeling right, etc. It has only been a couple days but I can't tell that it i a major piece of the puzzle I expect now to get in place within the couple months :) Still far from flying but parts of stroke start to make more sense. |
#18
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