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Old 01-26-2016
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There is a lovely video of Ryan Lochte doing a single length of drill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOJRf_5Rpag

It's a great way to benchmark your Stroke length against a legend.

These are the parameters:-

TT set at 1.20 for 50 strokes per minute.
3 beep push off

Lochte does an 8 SPL but gets a score of 9 as his last stroke is a double glide. He also appears to be in a 25SCY pool so if you have 25m you get an extra stroke.

I'm trying to get to 12SPL on this test but at the moment its more 12.5
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There is a lovely video of Ryan Lochte doing a single length of drill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOJRf_5Rpag

It's a great way to benchmark your Stroke length against a legend.

These are the parameters:-

TT set at 1.20 for 50 strokes per minute.
3 beep push off

Lochte does an 8 SPL but gets a score of 9 as his last stroke is a double glide. He also appears to be in a 25SCY pool so if you have 25m you get an extra stroke.

I'm trying to get to 12SPL on this test but at the moment its more 12.5
I got 9 strokes + 1 for the glide for 10. Does the "break-out" pull not count?

When perfect, I can do a 25 yard length in 12 (including the break-out), but at a slower pace of somewhere around 17 seconds. At 14.5 seconds (what Lochte does here), I've got to crank up the stroke rate considerably, costing me grip. I'm probably more like 15-16 SPL at that speed.

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There is a lovely video of Ryan Lochte doing a single length of drill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOJRf_5Rpag

It's a great way to benchmark your Stroke length against a legend.

These are the parameters:-

TT set at 1.20 for 50 strokes per minute.
3 beep push off

Lochte does an 8 SPL but gets a score of 9 as his last stroke is a double glide. He also appears to be in a 25SCY pool so if you have 25m you get an extra stroke.

I'm trying to get to 12SPL on this test but at the moment its more 12.5
Does the dolphin kick just before his first breakout pull count as "illegal assist"? Not that it matters, he is so, so far out of my league lol!

BTW, you referred to it as a drill, and the coach chatting at the end suggests that it was specific drill rather than a non-specific warm-up, but do you have any idea what the drill was about? Was he specifically trying for long stroke length and/or gliding?
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If I put on fins (to get the same rear propulsion) and start stroking at the same position as he does it shouldnt be that difficult. When holding his rhythm to the end it seems more like 9,5 stroke without exttra endglide.
Anyway, its a good example.
Lochte doesnt take crazy long strokes. Its all solid, powerfull and smooth, staying within his reach.

I found part of the puzzle why these guys can look so smooth also with little 2BK kick.
If your forward speed is high you really only need to angle the legs and twist the body a little to make that shape hit the upcoming water and rotate the body without little more action to supply most of the bodyrotation and lift.
Together with a stretched out solid hold on the water you can take big paddle steps at a low frequency, further giving the impression of a slow movement combined with good forward progress.

When swimming slow, the resulting action of leg angling is minimal, so you have to kick more violent, giving that splashy look combined with little progress.

Does anyone know how to read distances from the rope colors? Is it universal?

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Does anyone know how to read distances from the rope colors? Is it universal?
Lane lines
The color of the floats extending
from the walls the distance of 5 meters for long course and short course meters and 15
feet for short course yards shall be distinct from the rest of the floats. Distinctive colored
floats, or markers extending around the full circumference of the floats, shall be placed at
15-meters (49 feet 21/2 inches) from each end wall in both short course and long course
pools. Additionally, in long course pools, a distinctive warning line or lane markers may be
placed at a distance of 13 meters from each end wall.


[EDITED with more complete info from another source which may explain why these lines have 4 red floats each instead of just two, as it appears this is a multi-course pool and the lane lines may be utilized in more than one configuration]

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BTW, you referred to it as a drill, and the coach chatting at the end suggests that it was specific drill rather than a non-specific warm-up, but do you have any idea what the drill was about? Was he specifically trying for long stroke length and/or gliding?

Appears this was a demo at a swim clinic. This other video at the same venue shows both the "coach" and Lochte addressing a crowd with a microphone. BTW, in the second half, he does a length in ~7.5 strokes (including the breakout pull) doing a catch-up drill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxuoLPkIpV8
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Old 01-27-2016
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I'd call it a drill for me or another swimmer rather than Lochte.

since the stroke rate is very manageable it allows a reasonable comparison.

As I was encouraging another swimmer to extend their stroke yesterday it's great to put them on 50 strokes a minute with the TT, let them swim a few lengths then send them the Lochte link and ask them to think about it.
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I got 9 strokes + 1 for the glide for 10. Does the "break-out" pull not count?

When perfect, I can do a 25 yard length in 12 (including the break-out), but at a slower pace of somewhere around 17 seconds. At 14.5 seconds (what Lochte does here), I've got to crank up the stroke rate considerably, costing me grip. I'm probably more like 15-16 SPL at that speed.
I still only get 8 hand entries - did you count the first underwater stroke? I never do that with my own spl.
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Thanks Gary.
In 50 m pools there are also marks at 25 m and 12,5 m it seems.
Well, I google some for further info.
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I still only get 8 hand entries - did you count the first underwater stroke? I never do that with my own spl.
I count pulls, not hand entries. I guess it doesn't really matter as long as you do it consistently.
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