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![]() A coach here told me that sprint training helps distance swimmers but distance swimming doesn't help sprinters.
Comments? Perhaps forgettiing everything and learning to thrash up and down a bit (I don't believe I have a snowflake in hell's chance of actually sprinting) would be helpful?
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![]() I understand that there is a direct relationship between time for , say 50m and time for 1500m. If you improve your 50m time, all other things being equal, you should improve your 1500 time.
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Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4YiGdf_3dg Non Lopers generally keep a relatively high position over the water. Lopers (like Phelps, lane 3) tend to move up and down. They raise on their strong arm pull, and fall on the weak side. MacEvoy, the winner, doesn't Lope much. He's a good example of what I meant by "sprinting doesn't obey the the same rules when comes to balance". Last edited by CharlesCouturier : 12-09-2014 at 06:53 PM. |
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![]() Touche? Perhaps, but unless something has been lost in translation, I think the video was trying to show us that the svelte accomplished swimmer with superior technique would overcome the stocky guy who was trying to power down the pool.
Also, I think it is misleading to talk of this innate 'gift'. The 'gift' that a lot of good swimmers possess is that they started swimming competitively at a young age. Once basic swimming technique has been acquired, there is long process of learning, as we feel our way to superior technique and position in the water. This takes a long time for many people, and rightly so. So adult learners should not lose heart over this. Anything is possible, so don't give up, ever, especially in the face of faux elitism. |
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My daughter's boy friend is about my height, 40 yrs younger, and 30 lbs heavier than I am. The weight difference is all muscle, and he is in very good shape. Some time ago I got in a 50 m pool with him and couldn't resist the temptation to challenge him to race me. He's a lousy swimmer, so that was the one advantage I had over him. The races ran a sequence very similar to the one you see in the Norwegian film, where he is the Norwegian record holder and I am the fat guy. First we did 100 m and he beat me by a wide margin. I won't embarass myself by estimating the time I turned in for 100 m, but I saw right away that my advantage over him was only in distance, not in speed. So I started handicapping him by increasing the distance of the race. On 300 m, he still beat me, but the margin of victory was significantly smaller. So my last race (similar to the one in the film with the helmet) was for 500 m. The pool is shallow enough to stand in, so my opponent would swim way out ahead of me and stand up to catch his breath until I approached. Then he would start swimming again. It turns out I lost this one too, but by less than 1 s. I am still looking forward to a rematch, this time in open water that's deep enough so that you can't stand up. Time will tell. |
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Absolutely no one in this world can break a national record without being exceptionally gifted. To the best of my knowledge, he broke 3, and that over a very wide range of distances. And as I said, I guess we'd have to define what a gift is. In this case he is overall very good. For some, what I consider as being a gift is just an exaggerated genetic profile, which puts the subject at either end of the sprint/distance spectrum. Funny because this clip reminds me something similar taking place in my backyard in Montreal. A former professional hockey player (George Laraque, for those who follow Ice Hockey) challenged a young UCI female cyclist for a 1.6k uphill race... LOL The girl had time to go up the hill, go down, get George, and finish the climb with him. Maybe she should not have, because this motivated him to climb as fast as he could. The poor goon ended up in hospital (heart). I LOVE these events. They make good press, and they allow general public to have a better idea of what a pro/elite really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JALD7cS_JY http://pedalmag.com/lexvslaraque-alb...alized-photos/ Anyone with a bit of luck, goodwill and time will make it to regional elite level. Very few will ever make a national team. Where I agree with you though, is that anyone who really wants it should really give it a serious go. Cause you never know if you're going to become the winning combination. Been wondering about these things lately as I have to participate to talent identification here in QC. Impossible to tell as they grow as you never know if it's a matter of being slightly ahead of time development wise, or if a certain edge say at age 17 will be kept until blowesome. In other words, it's possible that another 17yo inferior to Christiansen physically speaking continues growing after Christiansen stalled. So you never know, and should never give up as long as fun is there and that health/studies aren't at stake. Last edited by CharlesCouturier : 12-10-2014 at 01:15 AM. |
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Thanks Charles for the insightful answer. No worries here, on the contrary it's amazing how much potential is yet to discover. And, about the mistery you mention, that makes swimming even more fashinating to me. For the record, I'm a 37yo self coached, no swimming background, mostly interested in ow swimming, and I swim just because it's a continuous discovery, a day by day wonderful journey. As for the flat SDI, I guess I fall into a) - never do any all out sprints - and, to a lesser extent, into b). Your advises led me to a hot question: Aerobic vs neuromuscular training: which is better for an avg folk who is currently worth 26min on a 1500? Maybe you would think that it's pointless to "train" at 1:45/100m or slower and one should better get first at 35s/50m and only then start building endurance. But I see that by consistently doing aerobic sets (with a clean stroke and steady SPL), my times slowly but continuosly improve, no shortcuts, no magic. Instead I feel like neuromuscular sets (e.g. ATP) never really worked for me. I know it sounds unpopular here, but that's my honest experience. |
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![]() Are you able to monitor your techniique duriong your aerobic sets and correct it during the swim?
I think if you are able to steer the technique in the right direction during your swim and keep awareness of how your stroke is developing the risk of doing garbage miles is small and the positive endurance building works in the positive direction for you. You slowly improve your technique and endurance this way I guess. |
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Generally speaking, I like to work on 3 different axis in the same time: 1. Neuromuscular, or pure speed if you may 2. Streamline/efficiency, mostly done through time trialing at an artificially low rate (I like to go down to one's natural rate minus 12rpm), so similar to Total Immersion approach, though I'm well aware that TI means and is far more than this sort of work 3. Endurance fitness And one of the big reasons why I like this approach, is that it's very difficult to "stall" in all of the 3 areas. Therefore in spite of a temporary plateau in the endurance side, pure speed may continue to progress. Then if pure speed plateaus, then endurance may continue to progress, etc... This old dusty thread here gives a concrete example of how #1 and #2 are developed, in this context: http://triforums.vo3max.ca/viewtopic.php?f=245&t=733 I still use very similar toolbox as of today. In this case, every sessions sees a bit of sprinting with a bit of streamline/efficiency work. Endurance fitness is entirely left aside in this case. I may add, at the risk of being unpopular (again, like you I'm just trying to be honest), that sprinting for me = forget about technique. Find back the kid in you, just beat the hell out of the water. I'd never recommend using a TT for sprinting. Last edited by CharlesCouturier : 12-10-2014 at 10:28 PM. |
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