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Last edited by CharlesCouturier : 11-20-2014 at 08:48 PM. |
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![]() Hello Sclim,
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Best regards, Werner |
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![]() And what were the resulting swim times Werner?
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![]() Hello Charles,
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My question in other words: Do I have to deal with that bad, uncomfortable feeling and get used of it, or is there a more comfortable way (in Germany we call it a King's way... in swimming the TI-way?)? With many thanks and best regards, Werner |
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![]() Hello Suzanne,
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Body changes in my years are not always interesting. But I hope there is some room for improvement to the better, not only the doctor's "according to age very well". How do you decide your tradeoff. (I have to do when want swim faster than 2:00min... and always think after 12 strokes: Shinji's still there and when on the turn: Suzanne's recovered for 20s...) Thank you very much and best regards, Werner PS: Your Fast Forward led to all these questions. Although failed many/most of the set's goals it is a highly interesting mixture of TI-like technique training and endurance work (think this part is also TI-proofed). Last edited by WFEGb : 11-20-2014 at 10:13 PM. Reason: PS-Addition |
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![]() Hello Charles,
All happened at the end of my first ATP (LCM). First stroke at third beep. Example: 1.3s-41SPL results in 56s/50m or 1.14s-46SPL results in 55s/50m. All fairly uncomfortable. Best regards, Werner Last edited by WFEGb : 11-20-2014 at 10:06 PM. Reason: Numbers correction |
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![]() Hello haschu33,
glad to read a new post! Hope you're back in the forum and you got rid of your shoulder impingement. If so, let us meet and video each other next weeks... Quote:
In your post and as we met you said, you often go down or better even start the TT with settings below 1.0s. Think I have to develop the confidence, not everything of the stroke will fall appart with that setting. Don't have time to think about when Swimming. The TT prevents. The doubts come after. Let us read more of your deep thaughts. Thank you very much and best regards, Werner |
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![]() Hi Werner,
My shoulders are ok, ... still don't have much time for swimming, unfortunately. Quote:
When we speed up that same movement we inevitably loose precision and control. Breaking down the movement in parts now becomes a deadly matter: we loose momentum and rhythm, we might completely lose it. When being slow rhythm is not so important and harder to implement - we can control the movement while it happens. Moving fast is based on rhythm. But the good point is: while being slow our movement patterns get habituated. Since we do a lot of habituation, that habituation is quite strong and will still work when we move faster - as long as we don't overdo it. Although some neural adaptation is necessary at higher rate - it also needs practice. What will you do if someone shows you a complicated, fast movement and asks you to repeat it? You will ask that person to do it slowly, you will break it in parts and then habituate it. Only then you can start to do it faster. That's what we do here. So what happens when we swim at faster rates is this: we feel we lose control but our movements in fact do not lose the pattern - except that it might get a little less sharp and punctuated. So, based on our strong habituated patterns we can trust our stroke. Quote:
This is exactly my point, and I can base it only on the personal little experience that I have: at faster speeds we first have to find the comfortable, rhythmic, easy and relaxed feeling and then go for the details. The other way round doesn't work. A little mix will probably work well. Here's a little thinking exercise: Let's say I swim at a rate of 0.9. I will be exhausted and need to recover after 3 or at the most four laps of 25m. That makes 100m max. My fitness level is not very good. Now, there are folks out there who swim 10k, which is 100 times 100 m. Those folks swim at 0.9 or faster. Now, is the fitness level of those folks 100 times better than mine or even more? Quite sure not. Although hard to measure, their fitness sure is several times better, but not that much, which probably is impossible. Also they don't have heavy loads of muscles on their shoulders. At least not a 100 times more than me. Which means, it is not the fitness level alone that enables them to swim that distance at that speed, or the muscles they have. There is something else. And that must lie in the way they move. When they move at high rates they obviously use a lot less energy then I do. So it is a question of swimming technique, but it surely does not have to do with how to catch or grip, at least not at the major part. Because we from TI are not that bad on these points. Which means it can only be a question of ease, of rhythm and of relaxation. There we go again. My personal approach to faster rates is this: 1. Finding a way to fit my stroke into the shorter time pattern (That 'shortening of the stroke' I spoke about). 2. When that works starting to relax. Trying to relax every single muscle that is not really needed. 3. And related to 2: Finding a good rhythm, because rhythm saves a lot of energy. 4. Putting the focus on stroke details and optimize them. At present I am stuck at 2. and 3. My 2 cent... |
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There are many places you can "give up" length, not just at the rear end. it's easy to let water slip any where you like...but of course only if you've learned how to grip in the first place.
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Suzanne Atkinson, MD Level 3 USAT Coach USA Paralympic Triathlon Coach Coach of 5 time USA Triathlon Triathlete of the Year, Kirsten Sass Steel City Endurance, LTD Fresh Freestyle |
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There is no such thing as "failure" so I'm curious to see if I can read that in your comments. Hopefully it was clear as I addressed other participants posts that everything is adaptable to the individual. There's no way I can sit in my living room and tell a dozen or a hundred anonymous swimmers what their goal should be. If the set raised questions then it was a success.
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Suzanne Atkinson, MD Level 3 USAT Coach USA Paralympic Triathlon Coach Coach of 5 time USA Triathlon Triathlete of the Year, Kirsten Sass Steel City Endurance, LTD Fresh Freestyle |
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