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Old 05-19-2013
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but when should the toe flick be?

As the fingers enter the water?
As the catch begins?
To initiate hip rotation?

Are these in fact, all the same timing?

Thanks in advance.
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After hand entry, prior catch, to support body rotation.
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I agree with Charles on the timing. But for me it is like asking which came first the chicken or the egg. The hand entry and toe flick timing is critical in ensuring the shoulders and hips rotate together. I think of the toe flick as my hand is entering so I think they are occurring simultaneously but in actuality they may be nano seconds apart and this action sets up the catch and puts the propulsion phase directly after the kick on the same side.
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I'm sure this has been asked before, but when should the toe flick be?

As the fingers enter the water?
As the catch begins?
To initiate hip rotation?

Are these in fact, all the same timing?

Thanks in advance.
Another thing to think about is not just when the flick occurs, but when does the preparation for the flick occur? In other words, to be ready for the kick at the right moment, I find it helps to let the kicking leg rise slightly to be ready to kick downward.

It's a bit like conducting music--you have to put your hand up before you can deliver the downbeat, or when the time comes to give the downbeat you won't be ready/able to do it.

Do other swimmers find themselves aware of this kind of "preparation" for the kicking leg before the kick happens?

Tom
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Which toe or foot flicks or kicks? Is it the toe or foot that's on the same side as the "entering" hand or the opposite hand?

I'm trying to get this right because I have experienced "core-drive" by accident. I was amazed how much distance I covered just by twisting my body in sync with driving my arm into the water. I just get confused with what my feet should be doing. Fluttering seems counterproductive to saving energy.

I really would like to hear more about this; I'm on the cusp of making the "connection".

Thanks.

-mark
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Which toe or foot flicks or kicks? Is it the toe or foot that's on the same side as the "entering" hand or the opposite hand?
Opposite. Laughlin demo Shinji demo
The energy is being driven diagonally from the kicking leg - through the core - and out the piercing arm, as the body rotates and lengthens into streamline.

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Borate,

I humbly say that this is dyslectic to me. Can you please reference a TI video link that I may get a better understanding as to how this is accomplished.

Thank you..
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Borate,

I humbly say that this is dyslectic to me. Can you please reference a TI video link that I may get a better understanding as to how this is accomplished.
Did you click on the "Laughlin" and "Shinji" links? The timing is readily apparent there.
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Have a look at this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiPpiC0629I
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