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![]() Don't push water back, grip/hold the water as your body launches over the low-side arm. I like Boomer's language too, "create thick water or a platform which to press gently upon (not back)" with the low side arm.
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Stuart Last edited by CoachStuartMcDougal : 08-13-2016 at 12:14 AM. |
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In an ideal case swimming should probably feel this way.Swimming with this mental image and having the intention to make your swim feel this way can improve your actual swimming a great deal. But to achieve the goal in reality it takes more than focus and intentions to anchor the arm or leg and hold the water. Without the actual physical action you can imagine you are holding water, but you are swimming in your own little phantasy world. Lets say the intentions can bring you to 50% of the desired result, the other 50% needs to be spent on actually improving the mechanics of your stroke to make your intentions come closer to reality. Wether the described intentions and focus can bring you 25,50% or 75% forward is unknown and is different for every person. I also agree that much focus on the detail arm actions can distract from the required more important foundations of your stroke. I see people talk with each other in the pool, often making high elbow arm movements. Its always about the arm movement, and nobody talks about arm legs connections, balance and alignment. Then they move on to the next lap with a spaghetti body and low legs. But I dont believe in arm anchors that happen by itself either. Dropped elbows are the most widespread flaw around. You just need a good paddle to make a good anchor. It doesnt get much simpler than that. So when you have the balance, the good breathing and whole body swimming nailed down, its not a bad thing to add a good paddle to your boat. If you compare the traction of the extreme dropped elbow rearward arm movement with the more optimal paddle shape, you see which one is more likely to give you that anchored arm feeling. She is changing between 2 extreme underwater arm movements. An extreme dropped elbow and a very high elbow loaded with body weight. The best one could be not the best one for your shoulder. Find your personal best that still is safe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zpi6N8k4kg (by the way, dont copy her recovery and arm entry she shows in whole stroke) At the same time, good swimmers can swim fast without a big paddle. They have a propulsive kick offcourse, but its also that with a good foundation, you can make most of a small paddle. Closed fist swimming doesnt hinder her forward progress too much compared to open hand swimming. That doesnt mean a small paddle is better than a big one, or that its not important to optimize your paddle shape. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3ra4JL8Jfk Last edited by Zenturtle : 08-13-2016 at 09:42 AM. |
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Regarding high elbow during a catch, it is not as hard as it looks. Whole arm has to be rotated in shoulder earlier, to have elbow looking up. When the body rotates, elbow is in a position to bend. Voila. I found swimmers in olympics to go as I liked it. "Gliding" to stay low dragged. Horizontal. Some parts are overdoing an idea, but work. My main problem right now is how to move hidden head to the air. More ba- lanced, more I struggle. Or it is my neck getting older and older. Since I do backstroke to my liking, it tends to be breathing, that ruins balance and whatever. Instead of "hold the water", I imagine I glide over water layer. Lower side glides, upper side recovers and makes a momentum. Is it the same to the beholders? I hope. Or I look crazy as all other people in the lake this days. |
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Your other quote about the straight arm recovery being faster is not true (1% may be true) but straight arm recovery or windmill arms was disproven as faster in the 60s or 70s by Gambrel I think. My video that Suzanne provided a link to was at a 1.20 tempo and that is slow for me. I am usually swimming anywhere from .90 to 1.02 and even at 1.02 I still have more of a patient lead arm than at .90 but even at .90 it is still there. Trying to implement what you see Ps doing at their race pace at your much slower pace you will have a different feel for the water. Make sure when you analyze Ps you are understanding that everything they are doing is happening at a much faster rate than what you are swimming at. |
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Watch the Olympic swimming again especially the underwater views. http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/kat...hrcontext=kntv Last edited by CoachBillGreentree : 08-13-2016 at 06:51 PM. |
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![]() A patient catch
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![]() I think we have a different starting situation from where we are attaching a good paddle.
I am assuming a swimmer who doesnt have balance problems and is not seeking stability with the arms. He is looking for an optimal paddle and does not need to worry about the leaks in his boat anymore. The swimmers also swims with whole body movements. The only thing that is missing is a good paddle that has good traction (hold) on the water. |
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![]() I will answer in one post, since it suits the best.
This morning I was on the lake, removing recent experiments and looking after things I would report to this forum. Difinitelly I do not pull. Instead, I rotate from hips. Balance, streamline, patient leading arm, strong the same side leg. I get a catch when I roll to the other side and have 90 degrees angle. Two points have to be taken: all is fine, till comes the time to breathe. Somehow head moves from hidden position to something I still cannot solve. Other point is to add momentum to recovery arm. So far, satisfied. Asked zillion times. Have no sports watch and seems that people have no nerves to calculate my times. Never mind. I swam in shallower water and used water weed or whatever to see how I go. Satisfied again. I do not use windmill, nor streight arm recovery. Boomer's swimmer does it, but bent arm suits me better. I have to add more velocity to it, I think. Thanks all, who answered to my posts. I have to make an experiment, how much impact has hanged hand in proper position to the good outcome of today's swimming. |
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