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Old 05-19-2013
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Originally Posted by cs10 View Post
I can see that there would be a lot of shoulder driven specialists at elite level.
Not just elite. Masters-level too. Different strokes for different folks.

Originally Posted by CoachStuartMcDougal View Post
Terry was citing Skinners study to support and share his own experiences between shoulder driven verse hip driven ,in pool and in open water - excellent piece and insight.
Problem is, Terry doesn't say, "These are my own experiences, not necessarily applicable to everyone." He writes as if he's discovered a universal truth. Here is his post summary from the main page at

"A longer, lower-tempo, hip-driven freestyle is a clear advantage in 50m pools, distances over 200 years and especially in open water."

Even a cursory observation of open water racing at various levels - Masters, triathlons, and elite OWS - suggests that the opposite is true, especially in rough water, which is the topic of this thread. High tempo shoulder drivers thrive in rough water.

Originally Posted by CharlesCouturier View Post
Who told you this secret? Footage of here are no where to be found on the web.
Here is video footage of Shelley at MIMS from the late-'80s:
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