I am just focusing on letting the shoulders rotate enough before I go into a catch
Originally Posted by Danny
ZT, I prefer this film of Terry, because it shows his stroke from underwater.
That said, it appears to me in the link you gave above that he starts his catch earlier as his spl increases which isn't surprising.
I agree with you that Terry's stroke looks a lot like the film referred to as active glide in the link you gave above. The skill for doing this seems very difficult to me. Right now, I am just focusing on letting the shoulders rotate enough before I go into a catch, because if I don't do this I find I am dropping my elbow. The difficulty in Terry's stroke (to me) is how to start moving the down side arm downward before the up side hand goes in and not to drop my elbow. One thing at a time. I still need to work on the stroke as I understand Stuart to be describing it. Once I feel I have internalized that (which will take some time) I may start working on the subtleties that Terry seems to add on top of this, if I can figure out how he really does it.
do you mean you go to a lower shoulder angle (more flat) before going to catch? Thats what I was describing as the TI way ?
The difficulty in Terry's stroke (to me) is how to start moving the down side arm downward before the up side hand goes in and not to drop my elbow
I think I know what you mean by that feeling. I remember going from a more catchup stroke to trying to putting more weight on the low side arm before the high arm entered the water.This was indeed hard to do without dropping the elbow. Surprisingly difficult in fact, even if i wanted to just get that arm just a little bit down and in shape before the other arm landed.
This was because the arm wasnt in the right setup to start with anyway.
It was extended, but not with a stable shoulder on top of it and already with a bit of a dropped elbow, but that wasnt not noticable in the weightless extension.
When putting pressure on this arm its bound to collapse into a dropped elbow,
and desperately bending the wrist to hold some pressure on the hand for gods sake.
The setup starts already with the recovery in fact.
Elbow lead recovery which is discussed so often helps, but also bringing the whole shoulder forward almost over the ears mentally, while rotating the elbow up into the extension. And extending more with that shoulder than stretching the arm.
That arm is best kept slightly bend in a slight clawing posture right into the inward rotated shoulder,lifted up and forward touching the jawline, with stretched out lat muscles and other muscle ties that want to pull that shoulder back into its normal place.
Now its possible to load that low side wing, releasing the shoulders lifting muscles and loading the muscles from shoulder to ribcage in a semi static manner. Just let the forearm sink a bit to start the downsweep, and let the muscles from shoulder to ribcage do the first work in the pull, taking that whole static paddle along.
You can already practice this procedure and the relative armtiming in front of a mirror.
In my case it was exactly this timing that was more difficult than pure catchup or pure windmilling.
It needs some time to get used to it, and also requires special shoulder flexibility and local strenght to make it feel natural, which it isnt offcourse.
Still working on it everytime in the pool, veeerrrry slooooowly going better and better