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Old 11-19-2014
Talvi Talvi is offline
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I'd never thought of using a snorkel for kicking drills s.sciame, mostly because I've seen those as being face down and kicking vertically whereas I think the kick should be on more of a diagonal, if it isn't then if you lift your leg before kicking the foot breaks the surface and/or if you bend the knee, at all, before kicking then it breaks the surface and this I understand is poor technique. Any TI comments (kick boards and kicking drills are generally not "favourites" in TI from all I gather here) would be very welcome on this as of late I have found that using the kick to rotate is of benefit to the feel of the stroke as a whole.

Originally Posted by sclim View Post
...Trouble is, with the regular Finis swim snorkel, it forces you to adopt the more conventional swimming slight head tilt rather than the TI face flat down position, which, because of my rather low in the water position, submerges the Finis snorkel tip unless I do a slight head up-tilt. I know in theory I can dial in the head tilt only for snorkel practice and "subtract" it for "real" TI swimming, but I worry that, if the point is to practice a subtle skill like balance, am I imprinting the wrong head angle by forcing myself to drill with the wrong head angle....
Hiya Sclim, good to see/hear you back on the forum!

I'm more subject to tilting my head down than up, but even though I had the same problem with the Finis as you to start with I'm not convinced it's the angle of the snorkel that's wrong. Without video though it is almost impossible to figure out, but I adapted quite quickly.

I have to agree with you about imprinting/learning something that might eventually have to be unlearned. With a coach the drills make sense because they are being fitted by the coach precisely into a unique implementation and attribute set. Without a coach I have floundered, and this is what I found trying to find the point of optimal rotation. Pretty much any angle of rotation is as difficult/easy at the outset and then what I choose to work on becomes easier. This then becomes the base for subsequent stroke development. Without someone saying" more, more" or "less, less" though and as I have no innate sense of what is correct it is more probably that I learn something incorrectly than correctly, simply because there are more options for that. I find no alternative but to learn/sense as best I can the correct rotation via the stroke rather than vice-versa.

One particular use I made of the snorkel was to try and isolate why I executed different movements with my right and left arms. I didn't have much success though even though I did balance out the two sides a bit. Now I attribute this furstration to the systemic nature of swimming. As an example, a number of years back I noted the different movement my two feet described in their movement between footfalls. Not a problem for walking but infuriating in XC-skiing! After years of focus what I have found is... everything's connected! D'oh! :D Focus on my feet led irresistibly to analysis of larger and larger skeletal components and assemblies as the movement of each part of the body is being co-ordinated by myriad and involuntary movements of a mutitude of muscles througout the body not simply in the area concerned. Your body is designed to take care of itself and so while you can overrule big tendencies the rest of the system moves to compensate in the way it has already learned. This is the herding cats experience.

IMO once you know, in a physical sense, the movement you are practicing, then honing it via drills works very well. However finding the correct movement wihout this knowledge and via an elemental drill is a something quite different in my experience.
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