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Lawrence 10-29-2011 01:52 PM

Getting it
 
I think there are two views as to how one experiences progress with one's freestyle technique.

First view: practice produces continual although incremental improvement.

Second view: improvement consists of incremental progress punctuated by big leaps forward.

I'm in the second camp but would be interested which others put themselves in.

I have a further claim: the second view is the correct view. If you adhere to the first view then you're not asking enough of your practice sessions.

andyinnorway 10-29-2011 04:51 PM

I think the changes you make are measured and incremental but the effect these changes can have on your performance can be exponential.

Freestyle swimming is a good example of something where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

Lawrence 10-29-2011 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by andyinnorway (Post 22836)
I think the changes you make are measured and incremental but the effect these changes can have on your performance can be exponential.

Freestyle swimming is a good example of something where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.

If the effect is exponential that's a big leap forward. Most changes don't have such an effect.

I have never understood the whole vs. sum of parts distinction. Surely all things are the sum of their parts.

Grant 10-30-2011 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Lawrence (Post 22837)
If the effect is exponential that's a big leap forward. Most changes don't have such an effect.

I have never understood the whole vs. sum of parts distinction. Surely all things are the sum of their parts.

Hi Lawrence.
If one can accept there is such a thing as synergy then it is possible that one and one could result in three.

Lawrence 10-30-2011 07:05 AM

That just begs the question, though.

DD_l_enclume 10-30-2011 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Grant (Post 22845)
Hi Lawrence.
If one can accept there is such a thing as synergy then it is possible that one and one could result in three.

That can be seen in cyclism, where a single cycler is slower than a group (because of the wind shielded by the 1st cyclers).

A more striking example are ants.
Each ant is *programmed* to follow a pheromone trail.
Together they are able to find the shortest path between 2 points. Something they can't do on their own.

DD

Lawrence 10-30-2011 09:01 AM

A kettle without water is useless. A kettle with water allows you to make any number of hot drinks. Is that synergy?

Mike Wray 10-30-2011 11:07 AM

In response to Lawrence,
Nothing to do with swimming but in for instance a music performance, one person in a group can have an inspiring effect on another and vice versa causing a better performance from each when they are together than apart.
Mike

ob3517 10-30-2011 01:01 PM

progress
 
Getting back to the original question, I think progress is made incrementally. This comes from experiencing myself progress during the past year and watching my children advance in competitive swimming.

I feel the advances are made by the daily practice sessions, not always in a straight line, but with a lot of two steps forward and one step backwards. What happens though is one day you become aware of how much progress you have made, either by seeing how fast you swam a given distance, how easy it was to swim a distance in a time that would have been a struggle previously or how few strokes it took to swim at a certain pace.

Competitive age group swimmers see this all the time, when they compete in a meet in an event they may not have swum in a long time and see a tremendous improvement in their time. Yes, some of it may be that they grew or better conditioning, but it is progress made over time with many practice sessions, not all of a sudden in an instant of realization of some previously hidden swimming secret.

When I first started masters swimming I was waiting for that secret that would allow me to swim fast, well it never came. Now, I see that by continually practicing using the principles, techniques, and drills of TI I continue to make slow but constant improvement! What is funny is the people who one year ago were faster than me are now far behind me wondering what happened, although I tell them all the time the principles I'm using to go faster and have referred them to TI, many are still waiting for that swim secret.

jenson1a 10-30-2011 03:52 PM

I agree with your first two sentences in your last paragraph. I have been spending a lot of time searching all kinds of posts and articles to reveal that elusive secret. Guess what? It simply boils down to this--persistence in pursuing basic principles.

Yeah it helps to read articles and look at videos, but I think you have to actually put the time in, use certain focus points, and don't try to do everything at once. In short, go slow.

Now that I have said this, it's time to go to the pool.\!


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