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dgk2009 03-12-2012 07:35 PM

2 beat kick
 
I'm trying to learn a 2 beat kick and just cant seem to do it,any drills that might help with this,I just cant get the timing right.

andyinnorway 03-12-2012 08:08 PM

I recommend lying on a bed and practising tapping the right arm down at the same time as the left foot. and vice versa. Once you have the timing and co-ordination its much easier to take to the water.

enjoy

tomoy 03-12-2012 09:21 PM

I don't think animals in nature move this way! But here's how I got it to click in my brain: Activate the left side, then the right.

By that I mean pull the hand & kick down at the same time on the left.

Then activate both limbs on the right side. Pull the right hand & kick down on the right leg.

It's whole left side experience / then a whole right side experience.

Of course different strokes work for different folks. It makes sense to think of it as a right-spear with left kick too - that's probably more in-line with TI language because it connects through your core in a balanced way.

CoachStuartMcDougal 03-12-2012 10:34 PM

2bk teaser
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dgk2009 (Post 27061)
I'm trying to learn a 2 beat kick and just cant seem to do it,any drills that might help with this,I just cant get the timing right.

It's best to start working on diagonal time in a simple easy context of the superman glide. Get into superman glide, feel level and suspended by the water, start first by activating shoulders, left, right, left,... A very subtle spearing, shoulder forward motion (not moving arm up/down). Feel the up front timing first. And if you have tempo trainer, nice to set at 1.4, time the left/right shoulder movement to the beep.

When you feel comfortable with this movement up front, now bring in a subtle downward movement of the foot opposite the forward spearing arm, i.e. right spear, left foot down, left spear, right foot down. This is difficult at the first; have a partner assist moving your legs with the correct arm as you move your shoulders (make sure they understand the timing!) - once you have your diagonal timing with assist, have partner release legs gently until you have the diagonal timing/movement all on your own. This drill gem is courtesy of Master TI Coach Fiona Laughlin. I use this with all my students and with great success.

Once superman glide "cha-cha-cha" has been somewhat mastered - next, introduce the 2bk with Spear-switch drill. In spear-switch when you bring recovery arm forward to goggle line and pause - pause your legs at this moment too. When you make your move to spear from goggle line to forward target, fire oppsite foot, e.g. spear to right target, fire left foot.

It's best not to think of pulling arm (or pull period) with toe-flick kick. This context will put no focus on the diagonal timing which is imperitve in 2bk. Similar to when we walk or run, left foot forward, right arm swings forward as counter-balance and forward momentum. If we move right foot forward with right arm forward swing - we would be walking like camels. We sure don't want swim like a camel either - and I see a lot of swim camels in the pool (firing the wrong foot)

Stuart

Ladyfish 03-18-2012 08:14 PM

Think scissors
 
I recently struggled with this same issue and finally overcame it by thinking of my body as a pair of scissors that is opened so the blades are separated. This visual also helped me get my recovery wide and gave me enough balance to improve my EVF tremendously too.

Talking only about the 2 beat here, the blades cross and join at the belly which is your point of balance (not your hands). One blade is the Rarm-Lleg and the other is the Larm-Rleg and they cross at the belly.

This is simplistic, but think of propulsion as coming from extending the hand as far forward as you can on entry and streamlining as much as possible. one hand, then the other, and so on. When you reach the hand to extension, use the rest of your "blade" (the opposite foot) as balance. This will help your brain connect the correct arm and leg. Start with this connection mentally.

Next, work on firing that opposite foot in some way at the moment of extension.This will make the neuromuscular connection you are looking for.

Once you have the leg firing at the right time, it is a matter of making the leg move in such a way that it aids with extension and ultimately with propulsion. It needs to flick just slightly creating a fully extended, long and streamlined blade with your hand at one end and your toe at the opposite end crossing through the belly button. Once this clicks you will be on your way. Start with one switch at a time to get it into your noggin.

On land, you can improve this connection by laying on a Bosu Ball (half a swiss ball) and balancing on your belly with one hand at your side and one extended, and both feet off the floor (not easy). Now lift the extended arm slightly as you slightly lift the opposite leg. This exercise will improve neuromuscular control......Probably too much information but I hope this helps!

che9194 03-18-2012 09:11 PM

It may seem counter intuitive, but I had success learning the 2 beat kick using a pull buoy. The buoy kept me in a stable position while I practiced the rhythm by lightly tapping/flicking the water with my ankles (not real kicking). Once I mentally imprinted the timing, I ditched the buoy and practiced the 2BK as a focal point during whole stroke practice.

That said - I rarely use the 2-beat kick when I swim, but it is nice to know that it is in my toolbox if I want to use it.

dgk2009 03-20-2012 07:55 PM

thanks everyone,the lying on the bed idea helped a ton,gave me the idea
of how it should feel,my problem is I want to do it backwards when in the
water,I want to kick left when spearing left and so on,but today I was
starting to get it a little,I can feel the foward thrust when I do it right but
still really have to concentrate on what I'm doing,once it comes naturally
look out,there may be hope for me yet!!

katypfarmgirl 03-29-2012 05:24 PM

2 beat kick
 
I have struggled with this all winter. I studied timing watching Teri in the video. I had the revelation as follows: I tried to time the kick with the same side arm movment which lead to subtle timing issues and lack of propulsive energy via the core. I have realized now its the timing with the opposite spearing hand. When the spear is initiated ,which is after the mailslot entry, the opposite leg kicks transferring the energy to the newly anchored hand. Since this is about timing the tempo trainer has made the biggest difference keeping my timing left and right together and on track over the long haul.

Mike from NS 03-29-2012 09:57 PM

Unless I am completely out to lunch, isn't it simpler to realize what you are doing instead of worrying greatly about fine tuning the timing. Timing correction will come later.

What worked for me was to kick with (say) the left foot realizing the goal was to induce right hip drive which was intended to aid in driving the right hand spear. Fine tuning came after getting the potentially difficult diagonal action happening.

Please correct me if this isn't correct ... I'd appreciate the correction.

Mike

CoachStuartMcDougal 03-29-2012 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike from NS (Post 27318)
Unless I am completely out to lunch, isn't it simpler to realize what you are doing instead of worrying greatly about fine tuning the timing. Timing correction will come later.

What worked for me was to kick with (say) the left foot realizing the goal was to induce right hip drive which was intended to aid in driving the right hand spear. Fine tuning came after getting the potentially difficult diagonal action happening.

Please correct me if this isn't correct ... I'd appreciate the correction.

Mike

Haaa! Out to lunch could be a good thing Mike - especially if you are swimming!

You are right, activating that diagonal timing is most important, fine tune with tempo later. A great way to activate the diagonal timing is using superman glide. Get level, suspended, neutral head - start with subtle left/right shoulder shrug front spear (use tempo trainer if you have), then bring in opp foot downward movement, again very subtle. Left should shrug/spear, right foot down, the right shoulder shrug/spear - left foot down. This is engage your diagonal network. Have a partner help you move the opp foot with your forward spearing arm to get used to timing.

Next introduce diagonal timing in switch drills. Pause your kick a couple of seconds before the switch, then when you make the switch spearing to forward target, kick opp foot only.

When these two are imprinted, the 2bk will come almost automatic in whole stroke.

Here's an excellent CG and live action pared from Shinji.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaCBCplP1eM

CG model is a bit rough, but perfect up next to live action (Shinji) to clearly see the 2bk timing in whole stoke.


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