Total Immersion Forums

Total Immersion Forums (
-   Freestyle (
-   -   What is a good number of strokes per 25 yards (

totalswimmertuta 05-06-2016 06:47 AM

What is a good number of strokes per 25 yards
1 Attachment(s)
I wear a Garmin VivoActive. During my swim, I count my strokes

I am trying to be efficient. I have read that folks can do 25yards in 13 strokes.

I have just started, and I can do about 18, and mostly 21 strokes in the 25 yards length

See attached for the data from garmin connect

whats a good SWOLF to have? trying to understand what the goal should be


pillsy 05-06-2016 03:36 PM

I use the same watch. It only counts strokes for one hand, so if it says 14 strokes you really took 28. Optimal SPL depends on height. There's a chart that gives you ranges in a "green zone" of where you want to be.

There's a guy who swims with us who will dive in and get to the other side in 11 strokes. That doesn't even make sense to me, lol.

Josefish 05-06-2016 04:16 PM

I suppose it depends on several factors such as height, anthropometry ( range of motion) the way of stroking, etc.


lloyddinma 05-06-2016 11:06 PM

Matt Hudson also has a chart that includes stroke length.

CoachDavidShen 05-11-2016 02:09 PM

For a chart we put together on SPL vs. height for typical pool length distances, download this:

We don't use SWOLF much. it mashes two metrics together which hinders your ability to really figure out what is wrong with your technique.

There are 4 metrics that are measurable and important: distance you swam, time to swim that distance, stroke rate/tempo during that distance, number of strokes you took. holding the distance constant is very easy if you're in a pool, so you're then left with 3 that you can manipulate. the hardest was tempo - without a tempo trainer (TT), it's pretty much impossible that you can maintain a certain tempo consistently. but we love the TT because now we can make that variable constant. once we can do that, we have a lot of accurate means to really dive into what are the problems in your stroke and where it breaks down.

here's a free TT guide:

caronis 10-01-2016 10:46 PM

Stroke Count Starting Point
Hi TI Folks,
I just discovered this thread and it's valuable in giving me an idea of the ideal stroke count based on my height....16....
However, this is my question...
When I push off the wall, I undulate a while until I surface through buoyancy, then I begin my stroke count.
Isn't this an issue as to the ideal stroke count? When does everyone else begin the stroke count? It seems much more natural to push and glide from the wall before initiating any strokes...

Zenturtle 10-02-2016 07:17 AM

For a bginner, 18 is good enough.
You can already spend years perfecting the stroke at that 18 strokes number.

s.sciame 10-02-2016 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by Zenturtle (Post 60592)
For a bginner, 18 is good enough.

18 is good even for Paltrinieri (1.92m tall) when setting the 1500 SCM world record

CoachSuzanne 10-02-2016 04:53 PM

caronis 10-07-2016 03:14 PM

I don't think my previous question was clear...
When I push off the wall I do 3-5 butterfly kicks before initiating my freestyle stroke...
Wouldn't this give me an artificially lower stroke count?
Perhaps I'm cutting down my stroke count by 2-3 strokes than it would be if I just pushed off the wall and began stroking immediately....
Perhaps I'm counting 16 strokes when in fact I'm actually achieving 19 stroke per lap efficiency...

All times are GMT. The time now is 01:58 PM.

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.