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Zenturtle 07-14-2018 08:31 AM

swimtraining with TI like stuff in it
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJKhOLpv0Oo

Looks a bit oldschool to me now. Dont like the overrolling hips relative to the smaller shoulder roll, that sets up the core at he low side line too litle in my opinion, but for the rest, pretty decent swimming.

paul2121 07-14-2018 10:43 AM

Thanks zen

It has our old favourites, Unco, Closed Fist and Longdog.

What was new to me was Catch and Throw but using a big paddle.

Something for us to try tomorrow.

Mushroomfloat 07-14-2018 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zenturtle (Post 66033)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJKhOLpv0Oo

Looks a bit oldschool to me now. Dont like the overrolling hips relative to the smaller shoulder roll, that sets up the core at he low side line too litle in my opinion, but for the rest, pretty decent swimming.

This is great, something i was figuring out last week is the hip moving down in time for entry so your not reaching across your body in a twist,
you need to be beginning to ride the right hip as the right arm is heading for entry otherwise you are reaching across your body in a twist this stunts fwd momentum.

Mushroomfloat 07-14-2018 03:30 PM

Its subtle but wxplained well here by Cokie lepinski

https://youtu.be/O-TygMAyvtg

Zenturtle 07-14-2018 11:31 PM

Right, I showed that video a few times also. indeed the differnce is subtle from the outside, but when you know the differnce, the diffeence in swim perception is substantial.
When I started swimming I was intrigued by the power from the hips mantra and rolled my hips a lot to extract that mystical power from it.
Simply rolling the hips is useless and even counterproductive.
The hips are part of a kinetic chain and need to be controlled in amplitude to extract the optimal amount of power following that kinetic chain.
Just when throwing a ball or boxing or throwing a spear or golfing; swinging your hips without proper connection to the rest of the motions of the body is just silly.

you might focus on the roll of your low side hip when swimming slow. Mostly the hip overrolls and has to be rolled back all the way to the other side every stroke. Like a big mass is attached to your hips that keeps on rolling when it has gained momentum. females suffer more from it than males usually, which makes sense.
Now control that hips roll and transfer the rol of the hip to the shoulder , so that the shoulder is taken along with the hip rotation, while you lenghten and reach with the low side of the body.
Now the roll of the hips decreases and the roll of the shoulder increases a bit.
That takes some muscle tension and tone to accomplish, but you will get rid of the overshoot and feel that your body tracks more straight and forward.
You simply eliminate superfluous and unneeded extra motion from your stroke.

Zenturtle 08-05-2018 09:41 PM

And this was Quick before Boomer influenced him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3YE2JjJpRA

A lot of kicking....

CoachJamesEwart 08-06-2018 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by paul2121 (Post 66036)
Thanks zen

It has our old favourites, Unco, Closed Fist and Longdog.

What was new to me was Catch and Throw but using a big paddle.

Something for us to try tomorrow.

Th Unco drill?

CoachJamesEwart 08-06-2018 06:27 PM

I can't see anyything remotely "TI like" here ... what have I missed please?

Zenturtle 08-06-2018 07:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJKhOLpv0Oo

Quite some talk about being streamlined, balanced, efficiency,using the whole body etc.
Where do you not agree? (except the use of a 6bk)

By the way, I see you are a technique interested coach, with a lot of genuinly satisfied customers it seems.
As an engineer, I am also quite interested in solving and analyzing the whole swimming puzzle. Any feedback on my thoughts of optimal swimming which I post here and there is apreciated, if its based on sound arguments.

CoachJamesEwart 08-06-2018 08:33 PM

"TI Like"
 
Who said I did not like the 6 beat kick? Depends on the distance. But when I see replies from people on this thread a talking aboiut "unco" drills I question the integrity of the thread. I see you have been a contributor for a long time and that's great and thank you for that. But we know nothing about your credentials as a TI swimmer and it would be great if you coud share those to give your posts some context. Perhaps you did post them before and I missed them in which case I apologise but please do take the opportunity to share now.
For sure TI does seem to always appeal to people seeking to understand the phsysics like yourself. AS TI coaches we like to try and be the interface for people like yourself who undertand there is physics at work here.

and nice to meet you Zen Turtle ... great name by the way.

best regards

James


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