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Mushroomfloat 09-14-2018 12:44 AM

so in 90 mins she ended up with a short shoulder driven stroke with excellent body position which i was very impressed with.

we touched on catch up timing but a grasp of different arm recovery a short stroke was probably best to get the general idea of body position & balance

Mushroomfloat 09-14-2018 12:49 AM

Faster freestyle v

https://youtu.be/kJKhOLpv0Oo

Mushroomfloat 09-14-2018 12:54 AM

P.S i dont think these swimmers are "elite" they just study & practice more that we do

IMPO the biggest problem with the sport of swimming is people witholding information

i feveryone would share their knowledge freely then maybe things would be better.

WFEGb 09-14-2018 07:02 AM

Hello Stuart,

Quote:

Did I offend you in some way Werner? If I have, I apologize. But I don't recall discussing swimming/sustaining a 1:30 pace with you; then again I'm getting old, my short term mem often fleeting.
No, no Stuart! No apologize necessary in any way! Your post was addressed to ZT, MF (and Tom65 or the one who posted too rough [IMHO] with his name)... But I'd liked to clear up, that I don't think 1:30 (or any other pace) should be the justification to post something... So seems I'd unwarranted generalized your pace-post... and I've to apologize!

Best regards,
Werner

PS: Stuart, sorry, just realized I crossed the threads :-(

WFEGb 09-14-2018 07:38 AM

Hello MF,

Quote:

i feveryone would share their knowledge freely then maybe things would be better.
But I really don't think that concerns in anyway to this forum and TI. Several TI-coaches and TI-Mastercoaches and just in swimming interested readers/posters are spending their time and effort to do their very best for interest, enjoyment and free. Don't know when the forum started, it is existing since I started with swimming. And it survived and will do (hopefuly) a lot of critcism of TI. And I never heared anyone thinking about to shut it down... as it was the fate of other swim-forums... But after all, it is and should be an open TI-forum...

Best regards,
Werner

PS: I do remember only one single somewhat smiling post from Terry about teaching the 2BK, where he wouldn't offer all the secrets of TI-coaching... and then he put it as one of his 2.0-Mastery chapters. (BTW my translation of into German should be available soon... After all it's a TI-Forum ;-) )

Zenturtle 09-14-2018 09:00 AM

I do feel offended by Stuart.
When I discribe my swim perceptions he just laughs and says.. haha so many words..dont overcomplicate things. etc etc.

@Mushroom

I have exactly the same. A bit undesive between hip driven and shoulder driven.
When focussing on long strokes the strokes get longer and longer untill there starts to emerge too much gap in propulsion.
Than I switch back to some armthrowing more windmilling stroke and it feel so much smoother/lighter and a fun stroke, but often feels faster than it actually is.
When you hit the best of both worlds (is that possible?) its the best i find at the moment.
Feels likel most continuous flying through the water.

We seem to have more or less the same swim perceptions. Has it someting to do with our basic bodytypes? Maybe fun to compare.
Mine
length 180 cm
weight 88kg
ape factor plus 7-9 cm, relatively short legs.
balance: can float horizontal, even when lifting head up, eyes looking forward just at waterline.
Buoyancy. in pencil float test, lungs max filled. water at mouth level.
Shoulder flex. laying face down chin on floor, arms can be lifted until straight horizontal.(10-15 cm from floor)

CoachStuartMcDougal 09-15-2018 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by WFEGb (Post 66546)

Don't know when the forum started, it is existing since I started with swimming. And it survived and will do (hopefuly) a lot of critcism of TI. And I never heared anyone thinking about to shut it down... as it was the fate of other swim-forums... But after all, it is and should be an open TI-forum...

Hi Werner,

Actually there has been discussion moving TI Forum to a new, up to date platform such as facebook or twitter; we are experimenting with facebook page at the moment. These type of platforms, the posters and commenters are notified when other posts or comments occur so messages donít get lost in the noise and go unanswered. Anonymous/sales users are more easily gleaned out. Also - no added on-prem hardware/software required and no cost to host these pages. Forums are really the pre-social network before facebook, twitter, etc.

Stu
MindBodyAndSWIM.com

novaswimmer 09-15-2018 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachStuartMcDougal (Post 66557)
Hi Werner,

Actually there has been discussion moving TI Forum to a new, up to date platform such as facebook or twitter; we are experimenting with facebook page at the moment. These type of platforms, the posters and commenters are notified when other posts or comments occur so messages don’t get lost in the noise and go unanswered. Anonymous/sales users are more easily gleaned out. Also - no added on-prem hardware/software required and no cost to host these pages. Forums are really the pre-social network before facebook, twitter, etc.

Stu
MindBodyAndSWIM.com

Stuart, Facebook also makes it much easier to upload a photo too, in case you want to diagram out a stroke improvement. Probably videos too -- they can run right in the application, rather than opening up You Tube. But I know that many won't even consider Facebook because of privacy issues. If you are concerned about your privacy, you can always create a totally fake name and identity, just for Facebook.

WFEGb 09-15-2018 02:30 PM

Hello Stuart,

Quote:

Actually there has been discussion moving TI Forum to a new, up to date platform such as facebook or twitter; we are experimenting with facebook page at the moment. These type of platforms, the posters and commenters are notified when other posts or comments occur so messages don’t get lost in the noise and go unanswered. Anonymous/sales users are more easily gleaned out. Also - no added on-prem hardware/software required and no cost to host these pages. Forums are really the pre-social network before facebook, twitter, etc.
Sigh!!!... Modern times pass me by... I'm really a dino and like the forums and lists... Till now I'm really hesitating to build any FB- or Twitter-account... even not for the existing TI-Coach-Group... Presumably prejudice against these companies. Some of my former students (not swimming) head real issues with FB and I simply won't accept, that influential politics is done via Twitter, becomes more usual in Germany too :-(

Though, for me transforming a forum to FB is not the same as shutting it down because of unpleasent comments... (BTW to Cottmiller's enjoyment: There's something like a resurrected not so bad forum, but not not tied to a Company: FS-Swimming-Technique)

Well, we're far off the thread's theme... again...

Best regards,
Werner

CoachStuartMcDougal 09-15-2018 06:21 PM

Hi Werner, Lol - time to get a facebook account. Not difficult to manage or secure despite much of the bad press over the last couple of years. Also - it's convenient to use messenger (part of FB). I can quickly answer questions from squad, swimmers and students on any device avoiding the email barrage. Also - you don't have to have a facebook account to view the facebook page either.

Novaswimmer, Right! Far more tools to use for photos, videos, documents, sharing, messaging - and can reach a much larger audience and connecting other like swimmers from other groups (i.e. my masters team), etc. Fake accounts will always be there, but it's easy to vet the account before adding them to the TI group. And if an added account turns out to be a fake/problem, boot from the group. Page is public for viewing, but must be a member to post and comment. Anyway - we're experimenting and will let you know what and when/if it becomes an official TI discussion platform.

Stu
mindbodyandswim.com


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