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Old 01-26-2012
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I am about to attempt a move into butterfly. My understanding is that butterfly came about from breast stroke. And so, I want to transcend into fly from the breast stroke. I can easily replace the frog kick with a dolphin kick but what I don't see is where the two kicks in fly work into the mix? Am I right one kick is stronger and one weaker. I have been told it is a rhythmic stoke, I am looking for the rhythm.
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Hi Tab
There are several approaches.
What has been taught for ages is the two kick per stroke style. Kick your hands in, kick your hands out. Some advocate kicking the hands out to be the stronger one, while others say the kick your hands in should be the stronger. I think the majority say the former.
Several years ago Terry worked on developing a model that would enable most swimmers to swim the Butterfly for distance. In this model which is laid out in his Buttlefly DVD the swimmer just uses one kick per stroke. That is kicking the hands in and emphasis on landing forward, not down. Many other fine points as well.
As in other strokes he has broken the stroke down and progresses the learner thru stages that facilitates the creation of a relatively tireless smooth stroke.
Hope you enjoy the ride. When one gets into the rythum it is a joy to experience.
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I feel like it is a word on the tip of my tongue and I can't just reach it, but it will come to me. I will try the kick in and kick out. The thing with the breast stroke/fly I am missing is the key hole stroke with the arms, I feel like I am sinking too far into the water.

I will look into the dvd.
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I feel like it is a word on the tip of my tongue and I can't just reach it, but it will come to me. I will try the kick in and kick out. The thing with the breast stroke/fly I am missing is the key hole stroke with the arms, I feel like I am sinking too far into the water.

I will look into the dvd.
You are not missing anything. The shpe underwater is less important than finding flow. Flow comes from gravity and buoyancy and timing body movements with the natural forces. Kick in, kick out, keyhole is outside in thinking. Gravity, buoyancy and support are inside out thinking and help both fly and breast feel almost effortless.
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I made it to the pool today, a dreary, wet, damp, rainy winter day, the pool was nice.

I tried one armed fly, after attempting two arms. I found the one arm much easier to fiddle with. Breathing to the side, dragging one thumb in the water with a stiff straight arm and relaxed wrist. I was able to actually feel the kick in and out of the water, as mentioned and it had a fluid motion to it, although my daughter said I still looked a little stiff. Really odd to tell my body to do something new. A very relaxing feeling, actually, I could almost keep going, but I like to stop and reflect.

Thanks for the comments.
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A couple of focus points that have helped me.
When the arms are swinging to the front with palms paralell to the water, do not have them come close together in front of the head. Rather have them enter in front of the shoulders with palms flat or facing down. Feel you are moving ahead not down.
Do not start the catch until you feel the body rising to the surface due to its buoyancy.
When breathing keep the head in line with the body. A head sticking upward destroys the flow. The breath happens when the mouth is just above the water and parallel to it.
The coaches can add so much more. Hope this helps.
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I am about to attempt a move into butterfly. My understanding is that butterfly came about from breast stroke. And so, I want to transcend into fly from the breast stroke. I can easily replace the frog kick with a dolphin kick but what I don't see is where the two kicks in fly work into the mix? Am I right one kick is stronger and one weaker. I have been told it is a rhythmic stoke, I am looking for the rhythm.
One kick is typically stronger than the other. Drills are the best way to find your rythm. They gradually help you build up your stroke and get a feel for timing. It's difficult to go straight into butterfly swimming if you are new to it. I wouldn't focus too much on looking at the commonalities between fly and breast. This won't be of much help.
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