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Old 09-03-2013
Nickyb Nickyb is offline
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Can I please have some simple advice on how to start off with a tempo trainer with the aim of increasing my speed...?

I know there is ALOT of information about tempo trainers in forums and I've found some good blogs etc but I have found I now have information overload. I have read 'One Tool and Five Steps to Improve Your Swimming' and found some useful tips in there (thank you Terry).

Many of the ideas though are from people who seem to have swum forever (compared to me anyway) and understand, the sometimes, complex terminology used, or are faster than I am so it doesn't seem relevant (although I may be incorrect in this summation).

I've been swimming about 8 months and am self taught using 'The Revolutionary...', and reading and viewing what I can on-line. I've always loved water and spent most of my teenage years at the beach but swimming then was diving through surf, body surfing and jumping off high and dangerous places! A different prospect than the now 40 year old who is lap swimming for health and enjoyment.

I swim usually 3 times a week for about 45 minutes in a 25m pool. I have worked up from about 100m stop-start repeats at about 2.20 to being able to swim 2km in one hit in this time. I'm currently about 2.00 per 100m and my fastest 2km is 42.09. My SPL are 22. I am 164cm tall.

Any simple 'where to start' ideas appreciated for maximising the effects of this highly recommended tool.
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Old 09-03-2013
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Your 2km speed is really good relative to your 100m speed (2:06 vs. 2:00). So if I were you, I would work on speed for the 100m for a while. I would proceed differently if 2km is what I was really all about, so write back if that is what you really want.

The big deal about the tempo trainer is that after you basically learn to swim pretty efficiently at low speeds, the tempo trainer helps to train your nervous system to maintain that efficiency at progressively higher tempos (and therefore faster speeds). So since you told us SPL is 22 (in a 25 meter pool?) I am thinking your current tempo is roughly 120/88 (2 minutes is 120 seconds, 4 x 25m = 100m so 4 x 22 = 88) = 1.36. So first off fool around in the 1.3 to 1.4 zone and see if you can mimic your current 2:00 22spl while adhering to a set speed on the beeper. Once you have quantified what you are currently doing, then it will be time to start speeding up. So for argumentís sake let's say you currently always swim at 1.32. Odds are you would feel uncoordinated at 1.2 and darn near panicky at 1.0. You might think your goal is to swim 22 spl at 1.2 and eventually 1.0. That is not correct. Your goal is that your SPL slips in a graceful manner. When I go from 1.3 to 1.0 my spl goes up (gets worse) by 10 percent, but since my tempo has gone up by 30 percent I am still getting a good (20 percent) speed increase. That is what you want. How to get there? In a nutshell, practice the fastest speed where you don't fall apart. So if you are swimming 1.32= 22 spl then you are allowed to slip to 23 spl at 1.16 and slip to 24 at 1.0. If you can already do that then you can already swim a 100m @ 1:36, but that is not what you report. So this is what I suspect; as you lower the tempo trainer 1.32, 1.28, 1.24, 1.20 you see 22, 22, 23, and 26. You see what I did? At 22, 23 you are still holding your efficiency. At 26 your efficiency is so bad that your speed actually went down even though you are trying harder. The numbers are fictional, but you really will have a non-graceful raise in your spl at some tempo. The fiction is that I made up the tempo instead of you finding it experimentally. But you can now see HOW the tempo trainer lets you find it experimentally. So find it, note it, and mostly stay away from it. In my example you will swim a lot at 1.24 (still pretty close to 22 spl). After a few weeks try the 1.2 again and if it is now 23, start training at that speed and see what happens at 1.16 and 1.12.

The power of the tempo trainer is that it lets you quantify your faster workout, but also know where your form breaks down and avoid practicing with crummy form.
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Old 09-04-2013
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Thanks so much for your comprehensive advice Ron Bear.

I was definitely on the wrong track with where to start and now know exactly what to do.

Yes, as noted my 2km speed and 100m speed are quite close - I only really seem to have one speed at the moment and that's cruising!

Hopefully postage from the States isn't too long as I now can't wait to get in the pool and begin experimenting with my new toy.

Thanks again for your great advice - it is much appreciated.
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Old 09-04-2013
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Nicky
Ron Bear has given you some great guidance, particularly in showing how to analyze your current time to draw out your likely tempo. He suggests you explore your capabilities in the range between 1.3 and 1.4. That's really sound advice. My recommendation would be to focus more on what SPL results when you swim at
1. Various Tempos between 1.3 and 1.4 and
2. Various Distances between, say, 50 and 200m

View these as a pure data gathering exercise. But it won't only be that.

If, for instance, you swim 100m at a tempo of 1.36 and find you maintain a pretty consistent SPL, you could then experiment to find out what improves your SPL to 22 or even 21.

Doyou save a stroke if you hold Tempo at 1.36, but reduce repeat distance to 75 or 50m
Do you save a stroke if you hold repeat distance at 100m, but reduce tempo to, say 1.40?

Vary both distance and Tempo to learn what combinations allow you to maintain, say, 21 SPL for incrementally longer continuous swims. As you find that easier to do, you could increase tempo by a small bit while keeping distance constant and test your ability to still hold 21. Or increase tempo by a slightly larger delta, whole reducing distance and see if you can still hold 21.

This can be endlessly interesting. I did it for an hour this afternoon at my local 25m outdoor pool, which closed for the season as I completed my practice. You can read my account of that practice here, as an example of exploring metrics of SPL, Tempo and Repeat Distance.
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Old 09-05-2013
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Thank you Terry for your advice.

Isn't it funny how many people ask, "Don't you get bored when you're swimming lap after lap?" I find I have some much to think about and concentrate on I just wish I wasn't time restricted so much! And the TT is certainly going to add to these thoughts.

It's interesting reading your posts on pool practices using your TT and the insight you attain through its use - thanks again for the advice and for making swimming, for many people, not only a fulfilling exercise for the body but also for the mind.
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Old 09-20-2013
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My tempo trainer arrived and I had a chance to use my new toy this afternoon.

Started off at 1.34 (thanks for your advice Ron Bear) but found this tempo really slow. I felt a little unbalanced at this speed so that's something I know I need to work on already. I then played around between this speed and 1.30 for a warm up. SPL at this tempo was 20 or 21 (which is as good as it gets for me at the moment).

I wanted to do a timed 400 and 100 so then played around in the 1.2 -1.3 region. Timed 400m at 1.25 and that felt ok until last 25m went SPL went from 23-24 to 26. I timed my 100 at 1.2 and that felt fast with SPL at 24.
My intention is to practise more at these tempos to get more used to these speeds - would that be a good place a good place to start?

The fastest I tried was 1.16 today and there were certainly a few bubbles generated at that tempo and no chance for a patient lead hand at all.

Thanks for your advice Ron Bear and Terry on where to start. I loved the added focus my new toy generated. For a Friday afternoon swim after a long week's work (and the pressure of the America's Cup in San Fransisco to watch - a great battle between NZ and the US!) I was surprised to read on my watch that I'd swum 2200m and been in the pool for 51 mins! I look forward to playing around some more...
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Old 09-23-2013
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Loving my new toy...

Descending set (I think that's what you call it...)
Started off at 1.32 SPL 20 (I think I even counted some 18s and 19s - must have been wrong!) and after each 10 - 14 laps I increased (decreased??) tempo by 0.02 right down to 1.20. I stopped here as I had one or two SPL counts of 24 (mainly 22-23 though).

I didn't do any timing of sets today, I just wanted to really feel each tempo and concentrate on timing, patient lead hand and my SPL.

Again was surprised to look at watch and to see that I'd swum just over 2km in my 45 minute time in the pool.
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Old 09-23-2013
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I am guessing that the counts of 18 and 19 are not wrong. Based on the whole thread to this point it looks like you were swimming very consistently about 1.3. I get that from 1) the math 2) 1.34 felt slow 3) 1.25 had SPL go up to 26 at the end of the 400. So now as you experiment with different speeds, your body is learning new tricks. I note that you keep reporting trying FASTER speeds. This is intuitive for trying to get faster, but the intuition is not giving you a complete picture. Try slower speeds as well. At faster speeds you are learning how to do what you already do well, but at faster speeds than you used to be able to do it well.

At slower speeds you learn how to do things better.

For instance, as you slow it down you have to use balance more. You also need to maximize thrust since you wonít be thrusting as often, so your catch and pull will likely improve as will your hip drive. Note: When you slow down, the challenge isnít SPL anymore. The challenge is to see if you can keep swimming. I flat out lose it somewhere around 2.5, but my partner loses it at 1.7. You have been so constrained to that 1.3 area that you might lose it as low as 1.4-1.5. My advice is to take it to a speed where you feel awkward and (somewhat) frustrated and work it until it only kind of sucks instead of really really sucks. Then when you go back to your 1.3 you will feel like a genius and you may find that you have a shed another stroke and finished another 1.3 seconds faster.
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Old 09-24-2013
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Wow...2.5 would find me swim-crawling along the bottom of the pool I think. It'll take a while to get there...

Thank you Ron Bear and I will take your much appreciated advice about practising at slower tempos too. I can definitely see the benefits of this. From noting in my first session with TT that 1.34 felt incredibly slow but then persevering and swimming some comfortable lengths with pleasing SPL at 1.32, my goal in the next sessions will be to see if I can gradually work my way down, as well as up, in tempo. I look forward to practising some swimming that 'sucks'.

Thank you also to telling me the focus isn't on SPL when going slower, just about the swimming, as that would be way too many aspects to concentrate on! Counting and focal points - too much!!!!

Hoping to get to the pool tomorrow night. A third thank you Ron Bear, you've given a novice some much appreciated advice.
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