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Old 02-10-2013
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Amen Andy!
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Old 05-11-2013
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I think I was the one who started the now deleted thread, if so then I bowed out so hadn't noticed its deletion.

If I am right, then the deleted thread was not about "wishing to challenge the TI method" but because I did not want the wiki article on TI to be deleted. I'm a wiki editor and was looking for ways to counter the proposal there. I was informed however, in so many words, that the entry as it stood was as good as it could be, that input on the page had been unreasonably deleted, that wiki was not worth a hoot, and that I was foolish to think I could achieve anything that TI's great and good had been unable to. We'll never know.

Offering to help seemed to insult those who'd previously been involved, which was never my intention. Naively I hadn't realised the possibility of such an interpretation, and so the attitude and tone of the replies to it were to me a shock and out of keeping with my impression of TI. For/Against lines seem to have been tightly drawn, are well defended, the laager has been formed, and I, unexpectedly, find myself on the outside!

Yet there has been no attack. There was never any attack. Even the suggestion for deletion on wiki is not an attack on TI, though to understand that would require an understanding of wiki.

The rationalisation of deletion of a post regarding links and references to TI in wikipedia, from a forum called "Links and references", when there is a thread here on swim watches, and others on yoga, is hard to understand. In my experience deletion is something generally reserved for threads posted on pornography, race hate, and so on, or for spammers.

So would the next step in this sorry tale be for this post be deleted, or this entire thread, or perhaps even my membership of the forum; as I am now obviously a confirmed troublemaker?

And as for the wiki article, would you imagine all this has made me more or less convinced of TI's case? I can now construct the answer based on experience: "We don't care one way or the other". Fair enough but I wasn't to know. I erred in caring but can find no sin in that.

There seems to me to be one other possibility for this storm: that the suggestion TI was not notable has been interpreted in a subjective and generalist manner, a knee-jerk reaction rather than with regard to the notability guidelines of Wiki to which it specifically refers. Instead of understanding what these requirements are, and having a modicum of respect for them at least until they are understood well enough to decry, people seem to have chosen to attack wiki. It's an uneven contest.
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Old 05-12-2013
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interesting discussion. Nothing of what I wrote in that thread was a personal attack on anyone.
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Old 05-14-2013
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There seems to me to be one other possibility for this storm: that the suggestion TI was not notable has been interpreted in a subjective and generalist manner, a knee-jerk reaction rather than with regard to the notability guidelines of Wiki to which it specifically refers. Instead of understanding what these requirements are, and having a modicum of respect for them at least until they are understood well enough to decry, people seem to have chosen to attack wiki. It's an uneven contest.
I'm not aware of any 'storm' unless someone's trying to stir one up over my decision to delete the thread. I suppose one could make the case that the only rationale for deleting a thread is for spam. In the case of the TI Forum, my standard -- admittedly not scrupulously applied; who has time to scrutinize every post and thread -- is whether the thread advances understanding of how to swim better. The notability thread clearly was not about to do that. So I chose to delete.

We emphatically did not feel TI was under attack -- either in the thread or on wiki. In post #3 I expressed my feelings about wikipedia's evidently arbitrary standards for 'notability' -- whatever that means.

I find wikipedia very useful as a quick reference resource. I have nothing against it. It's just that, after Suzanne's entry was eviscerated, I believe further efforts to 'curate' our listing would be wasted time. As is discussing notability on this forum.

I'll probably 'disappear' this thread by week's end, so post away until then if you wish.
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Old 05-14-2013
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I'll probably 'disappear' this thread by week's end, so post away until then if you wish.
It would be better if you focused your efforts on removing the actual spam from the forum (or preventing it's appearance in the first place).
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Old 05-21-2013
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It would be better if you focused your efforts on removing the actual spam from the forum (or preventing it's appearance in the first place).
A bit harsh maybe? It can become almost a full time accupation preventing and deleting spam etc. But still, I get your drift.

I received an email notification of a post here today so I came. It read
  • From my point of view, if the thread was not deleted, then it would be more useful to someone else... And now it has been deleted, then we have to think of ahead to do the useful posting to others....
I think it was becaus the sig of the user (username Streamlite?) included a link to their Facebook page. But again, I agree with the sentiments expressed.

This seems to be an unusual forum in that it isn't about "power-swimming", but about something wider. That's why I was saddened a little by the happenings this thread refers to. But, the thread is still here and it's Tuesday so ... hope springs eternal :)
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