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Old 03-12-2017
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I was practicing swimming without kicking at all for a long time. During this practice, the moment I started pulling back water, I followed shoulder to breathe. It was quite easy for me to breathe.

But now Problem have arisen after incorporating the two beat kick.

I believe, downward kick aids initial rotation. During the initial rotation, one shoulder of leading arm moves back and shoulder of recovery arms move forward. At the start of this rotation caused by downward kick, should I start to follow my shoulder for breathing or in other words should I start to move my head to breathe following shoulder after completion of downward kick.

Some time I start moving my head following shoulder before downward kick that disturb my breathing, ideally it should be after the downward kick.

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You should prepare to START the roll to breathe at the START of the downward kick and NOT after the kick which is the same time your pulling hand is starting to pull back .In freestyle try to breathe as early as possible .

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Old 03-13-2017
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Hi Rajan,

Keep the timing simple and just follow your shoulder to air. Timing breath with the limbs will almost always cause a slight delay making the breath late and more difficult to find air. A cue timing is off is if you see your recovery arm swing to forward entry when you breathe, timing is too late and/or long. This blog will give you some tips to find air more easily: http://www.totalimmersion.net/blog/breathing-overrated/

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Hi

Thanks. But My query was how to coordinate or synchronise breathing with two beat kick.
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Keep the timing simple and just follow your shoulder to air. Timing breath with the limbs will almost always cause a slight delay making the breath late and more difficult to find air. A cue timing is off is if you see your recovery arm swing to forward entry when you breathe, timing is too late and/or long. This blog will give you some tips to find air more easily: http://www.totalimmersion.net/blog/breathing-overrated/

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Again, don't coordinate the timing of the breath with kick timing - this overly complicates breathing that will throw off its rather precise timing (of the breath). Chin follows the shoulder to air - that's it.

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Thanks Dave and Coach Stuart,

After recovery, when hand starts to enter into water due to gravity, leading arm shoulder also starts to move. Is that the right time for chin to follow the shoulder ? Please guide.


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Again, don't coordinate the timing of the breath with kick timing - this overly complicates breathing that will throw off its rather precise timing (of the breath). Chin follows the shoulder to air - that's it.

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Yes , that is the time you should start the roll to air.

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Hi Rajan,

As Dave noted, shoulder is moving (body's rotating), chin is going with it. Often swimmers make the mistake, rotation begins and head chases shoulder to air - this is a late breath and makes it difficult to breathe and disrupts stroke rhythm - almost as if the head is banging around between the shoulders.

Here's a good video from GoSwim on "Shoulder "Breath": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_7wx06VsSM I like how GS describes the breath timing, but I don't encourage sticking chin to shoulder - there should always be a space between shoulder and cheek/chin large enough to hold a small apple.

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Hi Rajan,

As Dave noted, shoulder is moving (body's rotating), chin is going with it. Often swimmers make the mistake, rotation begins and head chases shoulder to air - this is a late breath and makes it difficult to breathe and disrupts stroke rhythm - almost as if the head is banging around between the shoulders.

Here's a good video from GoSwim on "Shoulder "Breath": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_7wx06VsSM I like how GS describes the breath timing, but I don't encourage sticking chin to shoulder - there should always be a space between shoulder and cheek/chin large enough to hold a small apple.

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Hello Stuart,

I am curious whether it is a flaw, when breathing every 3 stokes, to hold breath until completely exhaling on the last (3rd) stoke? In the video you posted above that is what the swimmer is doing.

Or is there a reason to let air 'dribble' out during all 3 pulls?

Thanks....
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Old 03-19-2017
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Hi Ti97,

She does appear to be holding back, but I think there's a slow exhale through the nose and then empties most air on roll. You do want a continuous exchange, but not empty too quickly until chin follows shoulder to air as this swimmer demonstrates in "Shoulder Breath"

Here's another demo on the timing of the breath and exhale: https://youtu.be/c3VV4PwIBCQ?list=PL...GR9W0tiYmcH6MZ

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