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Old 05-14-2009
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In my breaststroke kick I try to catch the water with the inside of my feet only, is this correct. A coach told me i should be catching with the outside of my feet.
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In my breaststroke kick I try to catch the water with the inside of my feet only, is this correct. A coach told me i should be catching with the outside of my feet.
If you take Ed Moses' advice, you would push your heels straight back with your feet turned out. Focusing on the heels automatically causes a foot catch. Maybe try to relax the feet a bit, at least at that stage.

Before the kick the legs are bent at the knees but not at the hip. Then the legs bend at the hip and the position of the feet change. I think at that point you should only need to catch water with the bottom of the foot mostly. If you don't bend at the hip, yeah, you might need to catch water with the sides of your feet. But not bending at the hips doesn't allow you to engage your gluteus maximus. You'd be kicking only from the knees down.

I'll search for that Ed Moses video and get back to you.
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I can't find the video of Ed, but check this one out. About 1:12 into the video you can see a clear side view of the kick. If you understand Korean language, so much the better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGGZrd5BNxQ
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The reason I asked about the catch is that, since I started trying to catch the water with inside of my feet I am having problems with my groin. My kick is taking me further this way but I am also experiencing pain.
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The reason I asked about the catch is that, since I started trying to catch the water with inside of my feet I am having problems with my groin. My kick is taking me further this way but I am also experiencing pain.
Ah, right! Don't kick too hard at first. I hurt my groin kicking too hard with poor technique in a cold pool with muscles that might not have been warmed up, but even if they were, they were weak. I think it took a couple months to heal.

Is it possible that your new kicking technique is making you more streamlined? Maybe it isn't just the feet that are making you move faster.

Are you trying to squeeze water with your legs?

I was doing some breaststroke today without much problem. Later I did a kicking drill on my back and felt strain in my groin. Ah! When doing that drill, I'm kicking mostly from the knees down! Otherwise my knees would come up and out of the water. So maybe you're are not bending at the hips as much. That requires more catch on the side of the foot.

EDIT: Knees closer together is a good thing. It's when the knees are further apart AND the lower legs rotate out that the groin is strained more because the combination widens the kick. If you are rotating your lower legs out more and are catching more water with your feet, yet still kicking with wide knees, the position of the knees could be what's leading to groin strain.

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Found the Ed Moses video. At 11:00 the video focuses on the kick. At 13:30 he mentions kicking his heels, or ankles, back.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7l...brasse-1_sport
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Old 05-16-2009
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Nice video! Quite a find.
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Nice video! Quite a find.
I think someone else posted the link originally. There is a second part to the video, but I don't know if it's available on the Web. The first part covers most of the important things anyway.
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Nice video! Quite a find.
Hey, found part 2. http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7n...z=706c61796572
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Old 05-27-2009
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Nice vid.It explained a whole lot.
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