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Old 05-26-2013
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I have a dream that one day I will be one of those four :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svmdlqTO6Lw#t=74s

Sachie Kato in red cap looks the most graceful to me, she has an amazing recovery, but she kicks scissors kick and not a leg snap.
We all have our issues... :)
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Old 05-27-2013
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I have a dream that one day I will be one of those four :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svmdlqTO6Lw#t=74s

Sachie Kato in red cap looks the most graceful to me, she has an amazing recovery, but she kicks scissors kick and not a leg snap.
We all have our issues... :)
I don't know man, to me swimming is about how fast can I go and for how far, don't really care what it looks like.
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I don't know man, to me swimming is about how fast can I go and for how far, don't really care what it looks like.
Rincewind,

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I do agree with your post.
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Old 05-28-2013
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I don't know man, to me swimming is about how fast can I go and for how far, don't really care what it looks like.
The TI Japan branch got it all wrong. Someone needs to tell them that they should focus on speed instead of grace... ;)
As for me, grace brings accuracy and precision which brings speed, so I will get speed by getting graceful. That's the plan anyway.
In short, grace is essential for getting speed ;)
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In short, grace is essential for getting speed ;)
Then ballet dancers will make the best athletes. =)

In ballet all effort goes towards grace.

In swimming you are judged by your speed. If you are specifically spending any extra effort on being graceful that otherwise could've gone towards speed then that effort is wasted.
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Then ballet dancers will make the best athletes. =)

In ballet all effort goes towards grace.
No connection with swimming because water is a different medium than air.
Ballet dancers operate in air, not in water. Its different.

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In swimming you are judged by your speed. If you are specifically spending any extra effort on being graceful that otherwise could've gone towards speed then that effort is wasted.
You automatically assume that grace needs muscles effort.
When you say "extra effort" you mean "muscles extra effort" - that's FALSE! :)
Grace comes from the mind, not from the muscles. The Shinji and TI methods are to use as less muscles as possible. They try to be as graceful as possible without using muscles and without doing "extra effort" as you claimed.
grace is speed! ;) Grace teaches how to use the body efficiently.
For me, grace rhymes with "speed". You are not off the hook on this matter :)

P.S. - I still have a way to go until I will have grace. maybe the way is not that long.
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Old 05-30-2013
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As a rookie , I’m probably not the best person to reply, but as I understand, the point is to expend as little energy as possible whilst setting up the stroke (because the setup doesn’t give us thrust) and then very efficiently trigger a propulsive force from the water (through the hip drive and spear, combined with the push phase of the opposite arm).

As Rincewind said, Ballet dancers expend massive amounts of energy to create the appearance of effortlessness. This is artificial and is simply not a useful model for consideration in endurance sports.

When Shinji cruises along, appearing to be making no effort, he looks graceful because he’s relaxed and very precise (due to finely developed muscle memory).

In swimming, the appearance of grace is a by-product of energy efficiency (and a motivating one at that) but it isn’t the goal. :) 

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Old 05-31-2013
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From The Man:

http://www.swimwellblog.com/archives/1928/

http://www.swimwellblog.com/archives/1713/
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