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Old 07-01-2013
flowersnapper flowersnapper is offline
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Did you mean count strokes from push off until I need to stop for breath and estimate distance up pool?

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Old 07-03-2013
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Here's a nice exposé on TI's actual position, 2013, on pulling...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pITBtglEUGk
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Old 07-03-2013
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Very interesting dvd clip.

I will watch a few times more.

Thanks Again

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Old 07-04-2013
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Here's a nice exposé on TI's actual position, 2013, on pulling...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pITBtglEUGk
Nice find Charles. Seeing and hearing can be so much more instructional than merely reading. Can't wait to get back in the pool saturday a.m.
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Old 07-05-2013
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Especially listening to such an outstanding communicator!
Top notch!
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Old 07-05-2013
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Couldn't agree more with Charles's post. Just wish I didn't sink so much and had more time to be patient (catch), and "raise the ball" to get elbow wide and maximize push and grasp (hold) of the water. Needless to see, the more self-filming, the more coaching, the more aware I'm made of flaws, the quicker I learn and the quicker I correct the problem(s). Thanks.
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Old 07-06-2013
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Thanks to you both for useful comments.

I probably need to explain myself properly. What I was really interested in was. Is there an optimum path or position that your arm should follow underwater?

I'm not particularly interested in speed, rather the relaxed TI method Terry teaches. I just thought that there may be a few pointers to follow when my arm is underwater.

Thanks in advance

Kind Regards

Chris
I just threw together this video on the path and orientation of the hand during the stroke back:

http://youtu.be/jzE8heY8aRo

enjoy!
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Old 07-06-2013
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David, your video was extremely useful - simple and very clear, a great exposition. I'm off to the pool right now to try and replicate what you demonstrate.
A personal question? Were you born with such great flexibility in your wrists or has it developed through swimming?
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Old 07-06-2013
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David, your video was extremely useful - simple and very clear, a great exposition. I'm off to the pool right now to try and replicate what you demonstrate.
A personal question? Were you born with such great flexibility in your wrists or has it developed through swimming?
Thanks again,

Martin T.
i wouldn't call it flexibility but rather developed muscular control. we are often hampered by the presence or lack of movement patterns in our past - when was the last time we moved our wrists independent of our forearms like that? so we have to learn new ways of moving our body parts. unless your wrists have some sort of injury, im pretty sure most peoples' wrists are more than flexible now to perform this; it's all about teaching our muscles how.

swimming is a lot about not transferring land locked movement patterns to water and building/imprinting new ones appropriate for water.
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Hmm, I'm a carver and sculptor so my wrists and hands have had and still have a lot of work. But I tried pushing back to the end with a vertical hand this morning and whilst it involved more work, it enabled me to cut my stroke count significantly over a mile whilst taking the same time as usual so, clearly, it is more efficient. I thought it was making me rotate better as well but cannot see why. Thank you David, I shall keep working at it.

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