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Old 01-23-2013
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I had 14 people in my lane last night which was something of a record. I didn't do much of anything.
14! That’s a jacuzzi :-)
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You could have played a waterpolo match ;)
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Dear coaches,

Do you think it's important to do a strong and clean (no splash) hand entry in order to rotate the body strongly and then causing more propulsion ?

I have noticed that Sun Yang put the hand into the water with almost no splashing but powerfully.

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The faster the pace, the stronger the spear.
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The faster the pace, the stronger the spear.
Which comes first?

My only hesitation in backing the original question 100% is in seeing people who think they should have a strong/fast/powerful spear and the 'recoil' the upper body, or hesitation in their rotation only to speed it up. Literally like they are trying to punch a hole in the water.

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Which comes first?
(speculating here) I would assume that since increasing the pace generally involves expanding more energy to the effort, throwing more effort to the spear is a consequence of increasing the pace (or the rate).

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My only hesitation in backing the original question 100% is in seeing people who think they should have a strong/fast/powerful spear and the 'recoil' the upper body, or hesitation in their rotation only to speed it up. Literally like they are trying to punch a hole in the water.
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I totally agree with you here.

If you allow me the use of a strange analogy, using the rub your belly tap your head. I'd say the the spear strength paradox would be that as you increase the pace, you want to rub your belly more vigorously that you tap your head, where rubbing your belly corresponds to throwing more effort to the swim, and tapping your head corresponds to spearing the fish after hand entry. One must resist tapping the head too strong as a result of rubbing the belly stronger. (easier said than done).

I believe that 50m specialists do not have to worry about all that. They rub the belly and tap the head as strong as they possibly can.

It is also worth mentioning that some swimmers do use the front of their stroke in a presumed propulsive way. Here, pictures worth thousand words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1wnu0xzvjo

The purpose of this clip was to highlight a sad move performed by Harry Wiltshire at the expense of Javier Gomez. It's one of my favorite clips as it clearly shows something I sometimes teach to some swimmers. *They* basically put their body weight on spear, thus performing some form of weight shifts. If you pay attention, you'll see that Harry didn't seem to need to alter his stroke at all, when swimming over Javier. That's just the way he normally swims, ie as if he was using the spear to sink an opponent to swim over him. This becomes very clear later in the clip, whilst Harry is trying to stop Javier from coming back in the pack.

But that's limited to some swimmers. Others don't do this at all. And I don't teach this to everyone.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1wnu0xzvjo

The purpose of this clip was to highlight a sad move performed by Harry Wiltshire at the expense of Javier Gomez. It's one of my favorite clips as it clearly shows something I sometimes teach to some swimmers. *They* basically put their body weight on spear, thus performing some form of weight shifts. If you pay attention, you'll see that Harry didn't seem to need to alter his stroke at all, when swimming over Javier. That's just the way he normally swims, ie as if he was using the spear to sink an opponent to swim over him. This becomes very clear later in the clip, whilst Harry is trying to stop Javier from coming back in the pack.

But that's limited to some swimmers. Others don't do this at all. And I don't teach this to everyone.

As they say in NASCAR, "if they ain't rubbin, they ain't racin"
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Which comes first?

My only hesitation in backing the original question 100% is in seeing people who think they should have a strong/fast/powerful spear and the 'recoil' the upper body, or hesitation in their rotation only to speed it up. Literally like they are trying to punch a hole in the water.

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This guy just slaps it down, its very typical of the 'faster' masters swimmers I've found on youtube, especially with that staggered stroke timing that varies each side.

I don't think this guy would win any technique awards but then the clock at the end of the 1500m says 17.45 so not to be disregarded at all. I don't know his age, maybe Christian (Ninja Swimmer) does as its his video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP7Fo...yqRY4A&index=2
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He swims like a 200m butterfly specialist converted into a freestyle distance swimmer. I'd really not be surprised to hear that his background is at fly.
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This guy just slaps it down, its very typical of the 'faster' masters swimmers I've found on youtube, especially with that staggered stroke timing that varies each side.

I don't think this guy would win any technique awards but then the clock at the end of the 1500m says 17.45 so not to be disregarded at all. I don't know his age, maybe Christian (Ninja Swimmer) does as its his video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP7Fo...yqRY4A&index=2
That guy is all kick!
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That guy is all kick!
I doubt whether it's his kick that propels him to that kind of time (or how he gets his arms out front for that matter). Clearly has some pretty goof stuff going on under the water.
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