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Old 06-05-2013
helixfairweather helixfairweather is offline
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Hi All!

I have arrived at Laser Lead Rotation (Lesson 2). I feel very good about my Lesson 1 work - Superman Glide is a natural for me now.

LLR is a challenge! I am working in the shallow end, across 5 lanes. Total length in one directions is 12.5m. Down and back is 1X 25m. Here is the data of my first four times at the pool working on LLR:

1. 3X 25m - could barely balance, would fall right back flat. Achieved a count of 1-2 in balance. I despaired of ever getting anywhere with this! I noted that I don't know what body parts do the balanace.

2. 3X 25m - better! Could balance for a count of 5.

3. 4X 20y (different pool) - getting somewhere now. Count of 5 or 6. I keep think I must be shoulder-stacking to be so unstable. Head is remaining weightless.

4. 6X 25m (back to the half width setup) - got to a count of 7 or even 8 a few times! I am not shoulder stacking. I can see my lower shoulder and it's in the right place. Need to remember to be kicking *before* rotation.

5. 3X 25m, other things, then another 3X 25m - achieved a count of 10 and even ended the balance on my own a few times. PROGRESS!

6. next two times were about the same.

Question 1: I do not yet feel completely in control of my balance so feel I need to keep working on LLR more before attempting Skate position. Is there some measurable criterion or internal sensation I should look for that will tell me I am ready to move on to Skate?

Question 2: Am I practicing this enough in one session at the pool? I do other rehearsals along with this SG, SG Flutter, SG to Stroke (4X for five focal points as posted by Terry). I find just LLR to be very tiring so I try to mix things up.

Question 3: Does anyone have some good practice sets for Lesson 1 and LLR?

So far, I am incredibly pleased with my self-teaching progress but could use a little help on creating useful practice sets for this level.

Thank you!
Helix Fairweather

ps as posted earlier, 20 years ago I did lap swims for stress relief and exercise in the way I have always done freestyle - plenty of thrashing and survival breathing. Now, as a senior, I am learning to swim TI. I would say I do not have an uphill battle creating muscle amnesia though. :)
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Old 06-05-2013
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It's self coaching, you can do what you like ;-)

I guess I would suggest trying moving on to Skate. Then come back, then move on. The shoulder-clear position you want to lock in in LLR is the same position, the same degree of rotation that you want to achieve in Skate.

Throughout the process, you will be building/strengthening muscles which will help you maintain balanced stable positions for longer and longer. So I suggest you continue on, then review. I think you'll find that when you come back, you can hold LLR longer with less struggle.
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Old 06-08-2013
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- could barely balance, would fall right back flat. Achieved a count of 1-2 in balance.
Hi Helix

For me the point in whole stroke is to achieve effortless weight shift i.e a bit like being on a swing where the point of balance is only momentary before the pendilum swings back (or here: rotates the other way). It's more of a dynamic balance/rotation rather than anything static. Or am I misunderstanding?

Also could you explain what you are counting Helix? Just interested.

FWIW, I had problems finding a way to practice these initial drills (ow swimming or separated lanes at a busy pool, so I moved quite quickly to whole stroke. Like you it sounds, I also couldn't feel my way to knowing when to move on and when to stick with an exercise/drill/lesson.
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Thank you for your answer!

My interpretation of the DVD examples is that one must be able to remain in that rotated position and continuing gliding until out of breath or loss of momentum. In subsequent exercises, one is expected to be able to remain in that rotated position and eventually control the ability to rotate to 90 degrees (facing pool side) and to face down (but off flat) - holding any position rotated to.

I'm assuming that the ability to do that is built up (muscle-wise) through repeated practice. I am pretty clear that what one does now (in Lessons 1 and 2) contributes to whole stroke but is not necessarily a feature of whole stroke. I would think, then, that it's not a good idea to move on without the ability to hold a rotated position.

I am simply counting the duration I can remain in the LLR position. I'm not counting seconds, just "a count of 2 or a count of 5". When we count, we each of a kind of default rhythm used for counting. My count of 5 might differ in actual time from your count to 5 in other words. But since I am counting with my rhythm, I can expect a good enough approximation. I would be too depressed to count seconds! :)

Helix Fairweather
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Thanks Helix. That's the plan, but as personally I didn't feel a difficulty in holding rotated positions, I moved on. After 50m or 60m of skating I had begun to feel as if it were more of a strength training exercise, focusing on a form of leg propulsion which felt quite different to that of whole stroke, where the leg kick is delivered as a whip that originates in the bent back hip cocked at from hip rotation. Whatever way you slice it though, as Tomoy says, it's self-coaching, so it's about finding your path. Happy swimming to you.
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