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Old 09-02-2018
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Default Three styles of freestyle in a race

3 different freestyles in a race

- hipdriven catchup style, strong 6BK (like Dave Camerons front quadrant)
- rotary shoulder driven, 2BK
- hybrid style, intermittent 6BK


In this case, catchup wins, hybrid second, rotary last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiJOs-u3edo

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Old 09-02-2018
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3 different freestyles in a race

- hipdriven catchup style, strong 6BK (like Dave Camerons front quadrant)
- rotary shoulder driven, 2BK
- hybrid style, intermittent 6BK


In this case, catchup wins, hybrid second, rotary last.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiJOs-u3edo
Thats great
I took a lady friend to the pool today and loved my catchup stroke she said it was sexy!
She didnt like the splashers & grunters in the other lane :)
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Old 09-03-2018
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You can almost see the advantage of the streamline in the catchup stroke, especially compared to the rotary strok next to him, but that guy is really fighting the water and keeping the front above water too much. His body looks very short in the water.
I llike his full body on catch technique on his non breathing side though. He also has a bit of a lope, and that catch technique is a very powerfull weapon.
I think the long loper would win if the race was longer.

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Old 09-04-2018
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i got this down in the pool last night
he is up at the front for a reason ie sternum forward.

There is something in the bent arm extention, it is ready for catch and you can get weight on it all through the early part of the catch

i found "keeping the forearm and hand light in front of the elbow" gives a high body position all throughout the stroke.
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Old 09-04-2018
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Have to be up at the front to get on top of the arms

if you practice it its like a swagger or rock from side to side

i stuck with the triathlon clubs fastest swimmers in the next lane using this last night.
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Old 09-04-2018
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keep the arms connected to the torso and not over extend / or unhook the shoulders for fwd reach
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i got fastest when i allowed the arms to come in to the midline and didnt try an stay wide

they go back out wide naturally when the recovery comes over (weight on catch)

"narrow to wide & back to narrow"
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Old 09-04-2018
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I can't believe how fast that guy in lane 5 was given how awful his stroke was when breathing.
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Old 09-04-2018
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Clearly the guy in lane 5 doesnt have the best streamline.
He can only keep up by compensating this by having pretty good propulsion efficiency.
The hook-in and torque-past the anchor at the non breathing side reminds me of the young Phelps technique.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjVDftnBq04

Paltrinieri also swims like this. Ledecky also throws in some of this, most obvious with her 1 kick stroke.

Normally the lopers let the head sink after the breath and come up again. This guy keeps his head high all the time like swimming waterpolo almost. Must cost some extra force. Should go a bit faster if he could refine that some more. Maybe that slows down his rhythm.

hmm, watching Janet Evans, she also has a very high stroke rate and doesnt sink the head.
same basic mechanics, only more extreme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K02I7GFwYuw

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