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Old 01-02-2018
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Default Freestyle Mastery and 2BK Timing

I ordered the Freestyle Mastery download when it went on sale over the holidays. $41, and already worth it.

At first I was glad that it seemed to be confirming many discoveries I've made myself through mindful practice--so that was good.

But I reviewed it again before swimming today and noticed that in the videos for the 2BK, Terry kicks much later in the stroke cycle than I had been doing--his kick happens as his pressing arm passes his chest.

I started trying 2BK by kicking opposite leg down pretty much simultaneously with the spearing arm. That worked for a while in a rough sort of way.

Later in my exploration of 2BK (just this past fall) I synched my kick to my same-side arm at start of pull and that seemed to be better.

Today after watching the videos, I set out to mimic Terry's timing. To do that, I had to wait until my pressing arm was pretty much passing my chest before initiating the kick. I kept my mental synch with same-side kick linked to pulling arm. A very different feel with that later kick, and a timing that demands a lot of stability from the core to hold motionless so long before kicking. But I was able to drop a SPL (from 14 to 13) at my default "not trying too hard" tune-up. And without trying to be fast, my timing at 13 SPL was about :43-44 per 50m, which would have been normal for 15 SPL.

After about 20 x 25m with lots of rest, then 10 x 50m, to start to learn this new timing, I swam 1650m non-stop to groove the new feeling. (By the way, concentrating so closely on the timing and kick made this an easy 1650, though I have done almost nothing longer than 100m repeats all year). It gave me lots of time with the new focal point. I think what I'm doing differently is:

1) body stays stable and motionless between kicks, with ABSOLUTELY no need for any preparatory motions, because body rotation sets up the next kick ("Flick and Hold" in the Freestyle Mastery sequence)

2) feet stay very streamlined and in contact with each other (i.e. one foot atop the other) between kicks (also seen in Freestyle Mastery)

3) kick amplitude is within body shadow

4) because it proved very difficult to wait for the pressing arm to pass the chest before kicking (a long time to remain stable and motionless), I think I have adjusted by also beginning my catch earlier. Thus, the kick comes later in relation to the catch (waiting for arm to pass chest rather than kicking at start of catch), but does NOT come quite as late in relation to the whole stroke cycle. So there doesn't seem to be as long a time to stay motionless, which helps maintain balance and stability a little more easily.

5) the press feels much steadier and more continuous, with little tendency to have an explosive arm pull that "slips" through the water. The kick also feels steadier and less explosive.

6) I think this is the biggest discovery I've made for quite a while. I think, also, that a month or two ago I would not have been ready for it. A motionless stable body seems to be the key to good swimming, and I'm slowly stumbling my way toward it. Today almost all my attention went to maintaining body position in a motionless balanced state with the necessary motions precisely timed.

So, I encourage people to try out this kind of timing, and I'd be interested to hear from those who HAVE tried it about what they noticed. Thanks!
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Default Good post Tom

I am in process of recovering from an operation on my right carotid artery to remove the 90% plaque buildup. The Dr says not to swim for another six weeks. This will result in me being out of the water for almost three months. My three swims each week are the high lite of my fitness regime for this 82 year old body.

Your post about the kick timing has me chomping at the bit to explore that timing. I have been kicking a little earlier than what you describe. I will spend the dry time ahead visualising your timing sequence.

Am very grateful for this forum and remember Terry and family with grateful appreciation.
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Very interesting Tom, I had not noticed this subtle timing difference from pure right arm left leg, left arm right leg.
Is this what Terry is doing here?

https://youtu.be/hC8ZZZhabp4?t=48s

I'm a very visual learner so want to make sure.
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Tom, what you say is perplexing me and I wonder if there is just some sort of miscommunication. By the pressing arm, I assume you mean the arm that is sweeping backwards on the same side is the kicking leg. For me the main purpose of the kick is to rotate that side of the body upward. In so doing, the shoulder on the kicking side goes up above the hand, which means that you don't have to "press down" as much to go into a catch. But I don't understand how to get the "pressing arm" back to the chest with no kick, at least if no kick means no rotation. Without rotation, the pressing arm must push a lot of water DOWNWARDS to get back to the chest, which is wasted energy. So are you rotating your body and shoulder upwards, even though you haven't yet initiated your kick? If so, how? What you are describing makes no sense to me. Can you help me to better understand?
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Well, I just looked at the film of Terry that Streak posted, and there is a surprise there. So here is a screen shot of what I see. I'll discuss once I see the picture was downloaded
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What I see is that Terry's arm is down by his chest, even though his hips haven't started to rotate upward. In particular, his right hip is down at the same time that his right arm is down. This is fundamentally different from the way I have been trying to swim. So the question for me is how does he do it? I'm guessing that he gets the arm down by waiting patiently for his body to pass it, but I'm not sure of this.

Tom, thanks for pointing this out. Not sure how I am going to deal with this new information...
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Very interesting Tom, I had not noticed this subtle timing difference from pure right arm left leg, left arm right leg.
Is this what Terry is doing here?

https://youtu.be/hC8ZZZhabp4?t=48s

I'm a very visual learner so want to make sure.
Streak,

yes, that looks like the same kick timing I saw in the Freestyle Mastery videos, though he does seem to do more of a pre-kick upward motion, with more knee bend than I feel like I was using today.

If you look at :48-49 in the video you posted, you can see this timing pretty well with a left side kick/pull. The kick doesn't begin until the pressing/pulling arm is at his chest--a later kick than I have been doing before I tried this today.
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I am in process of recovering from an operation on my right carotid artery to remove the 90% plaque buildup. The Dr says not to swim for another six weeks. This will result in me being out of the water for almost three months. My three swims each week are the high lite of my fitness regime for this 82 year old body.

Your post about the kick timing has me chomping at the bit to explore that timing. I have been kicking a little earlier than what you describe. I will spend the dry time ahead visualising your timing sequence.

Am very grateful for this forum and remember Terry and family with grateful appreciation.
Grant,

good luck with your recovery. I think it's great you're swimming seriously at 82. I hope I can emulate your longevity!
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