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Old 07-16-2016
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No kick balance and alignment. Rotating the wholoe body from shoulders to toes like a treetrunk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYqQJtcirqQ

What does it take to do it?

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Old 07-16-2016
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No kick balance and alignment. Rotating the wholoe body from shoulders to toes like a treetrunk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYqQJtcirqQ

What does it take to do it?
Interesting drill. But on the topic of tightening up the rigid body core line, during my recent long boring open water swims with no breaks to stop, regroup and think of another drill, I thought of various improvement strategies to try on the fly. Or break up the monotony. One of them was to make my body core (our dear correspondent Talvi referred to it as a "pencil") more rigid. Once I formulated the task, I realised that I was flopping slightly. Once I specifically aimed for pencil like stiffness, and aligned that stiff pencil exactly in the direction of travel, it became perceptibly easier to roll left and right. Oddly, despite this ease, it seemed mentally tiring to hold the stiffness -- maybe because of unfamiliarity. Or maybe, being new at this, I was using too much core muscle tension to be efficient, and the tiring was more than purely mental. In theory, assuming no more net muscle power usage, it should be easier in the long run.
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Mind you, in thinking things over, I notice core and quads soreness when swimming strongly after hard running or biking days. To work backwards from this, I have to assume overuse of these muscles in swimming can be detrimental to my land performance in a triathlon race.

I have to learn to exert just the right amount of core muscle usage to maintain rigidity for efficient rotation, without overblowing the kick, even though I am strong enough to do it, to preserve my hip and leg strength and endurance for biking and running later.
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Old 07-17-2016
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A lot of fast swiommers see this basic core tautness as the foundation of their stroke. Its always there.
The girl has a very tight swimline, where even the feet move totally in sync with the rest of the body.
I think thats a bit too much tension in the legs. You can keep most of it and relax the legs a bit. Do some faint 2 Bk kicking as people do when using a pull buoy, By keeping everything tense you cant get into a action reaction core rhythm.
Its a greast starting point for learning 2BK though.
First no kick and then help the bodyroll a bit with a straightleg 2BK until the roll is taken over from the kick and the hips and you can let the arms idle along, only using the push phase.
This is very close to Terrys light pressure at the pull, patient lead arm slow catch stuff. Not so easy.
Working on it some time on it every swimsession myself too. High elbow relaxed recoverystuff is helpfull to tie it all together. This girl has a very good front paddle/recovery action as well.
If you have been there you can go back to frontwheel drive and back off the rearwheel drive going back to no legs etc.
Everybody has an optimal personal balance between rear and frontwheeldrive. It takes some time to find it.

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Old 07-17-2016
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Hi Zenturtle,

I came across 2 videos on youtube (for the life of me I can't find them since) that explained the following:

1. Breath deep such that one feels the air the get down into one's stomach area
2. Tighten core muscles at end of back / bum

Both of the above if one can do them assist in distributing the centre of buoyancy from the chest / lung area to the stomach area thus moving the centre of buoyancy nearer to the centre of gravity in a horizontally aligned person (i.e. almost perfect balance).

How this applies to the average day to day person versus the athletic person is a different interpretation though. I notice I was very lean and fit back in the day but now I carry a tummy and all the other ageing criteria :-)

Keith
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Old 07-17-2016
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I agree on both points.
Belly breathing can pull the buoyancy center of your lungs a bit firher down toward the hips, making balancing easier.
The difficult part is to combine it with the required swim core tension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMNo2oois94
Relaxed-> belly breathing -> better balance (withn the minmal required postural tension.)
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Old 07-23-2016
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No kick balance and alignment. Rotating the wholoe body from shoulders to toes like a treetrunk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYqQJtcirqQ

What does it take to do it?
I do this all the time, and use it often with my athletes to "expose error" as terry might say. Although beyond his explanation of "how" I think he misses the mark on "why".

I did thsi today with an athlete to stop the legs from being "supportive' as glen says in the video, so that he could focus on correcting balance by improving what was going on with recoveyr and catch...(not by creating more power or swimming faster). And when he added the legs back in they were not propulsive, but rather, rotational (which generates propulsion).

So same basic idea. this is a fantastic drill that Terry first made me aware of on an open water swim camp several years ago. i blieve it's covered in the ultimate freestyle bundle as well
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Old 08-02-2016
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Default would need to recruit some one to train

It seems easy in the video, but I would certainly need someone to train me on this since I am not an expert in swimming. I work full time in a ATS software development company and I find it hard to take classes,
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