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Old 02-10-2016
OllieMackJames
 
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Default Please Critique my swimming

Recently did a TI workshop, great to learn something new.

Here is a video of the last swim I did, happy to get some more expert critique from here.

https://vimeo.com/user20398045/revie...677/28bad11987

Thanks!
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Old 02-10-2016
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you got the basics.
Now imagine the water is soooo warm in the pool you are getting sleepy and relaxed.
Make all the movements looooonnnnnggg and ssssllllooooooowwwwww......
Feel how your body is supported by the water.
Feel the pressure of the water when you move arms and legs through the water.
Feel what the weight of the arm above water is doing to the rest of the body.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wiu_7kGoe3U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJSn-KapGSk
Rome wasnt build in one day, so expect your progress to go slow and gradual.
Just keep what you know right now, but let the water round the sharp edges and tension of your movements.

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Old 02-10-2016
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@zenturtle, thanks, so more relaxation, point taken, will work on that.

Also looking for some tips for my 2bk, someone in the pool says I kick too much from the knee, any ideas what to do to better engage the hip?

tnx!
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Old 02-10-2016
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There is a lot to say about all kinds of technical things in your stroke.
You probably have heard talking about outside-in and inside-out.
I guess everybody starts outside in, meaning most of the mental and physivcal focus is on what the arms and legs are doing.
Very gradually you start to swim more from the center of your body, making that a more and more stable foundation for the arms and legs to act upon.

Now you have learnt when to kick with one leg, and when to spear with an arm, and you know you have to be straenlined etc.
Try to build a central core foundation thats like a floating vessel where arms and legs are passengers taking a participating ride.
Let the passengers loosen up a bit if they like , taking a sunbath while the cruiser moves forward.
Thats taking things to the extreme, because the passengers have to use the paddles eventually to make the cruiser move forward, but try to implement a few procent of this idea in your stroke.

Very general advice:
Swim like you do now, but just make your movements a bit longer and smoother, while keeping your bodyline straight using some main body tone.

If you read through all the threads on this forum you will find plenty that give specific technical answers on swimmers with similar stroke technique.

I am a fan of using an almost straight leg for getting the feeling of kicking from the hip (you do kick from the knee).
ON dryland, lie face down on a mattrass, with straight leg push top of one foot in mattrass, butt wants to rise, support with other side shoulder pressing in the mattrass, building a diagonal bridge. Not a high bridge, only one inch extra lift from the butt compared to relaxed. Switch left and right side diagonal bridges at a certain tempo.
The leg on the side of the shoulder that is pressing in the mattrass has to be lifted a bit too.
Feel that tension in your core?
Thats how your kick should feel during your swim. The knee can bend a bit during swimming, but not so much that you are loosing that basic core action.

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Old 02-10-2016
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I left my comments on your vimeo page, since my perspective is not TI-specific.

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Old 02-10-2016
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@gary_p

Thanks lots for that! reposting here so I can keep track of all comments in one place.

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Not bad, I think you have a solid foundation to work from. A few things I see:

-Looks like you're giving up a lot of your catch. Watch your wrists; they bend back a little when you start to pull. Then you start the shoulder rotation and drop your elbow. I'd like to see you start the pull at your elbow, bend it the opposite way and using your forearm and hand like a big paddle.

If you can't visualize what I'm talking about, maybe this will help: imgur.com/adamZvE

I'd like to see you're arm aligned with the green line. That would give you much more distance out of each stroke.

For more visualization, see this page: feelforthewater.com/2012/08/bend-it-like-becky-part-2.html

-As you go further, it appears the timing of your kick changes subtly. Late in the clip, it looks like you're kicking fractionally early. If you use a high-elbow style pull, the kick should come just as you're body is coming over your elbow.

-Your hips & legs are still riding a little low. Maybe you need to "lean forward" a little more, or maybe you just need more time to develop your core strength.
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Definitely understand what you're saying about the early vertical catch I think

And also I need to work on my core, I checked up on this forum and found some stuff from david sheng regarding d-breathing etc, lots of stuff to focus on further.

Thanks for all the feedback so far, much appreciated!
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Old 02-10-2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenturtle View Post
There is a lot to say about all kinds of technical things in your stroke.
You probably have heard talking about outside-in and inside-out.
I guess everybody starts outside in, meaning most of the mental and physivcal focus is on what the arms and legs are doing.
Very gradually you start to swim more from the center of your body, making that a more and more stable foundation for the arms and legs to act upon.

Now you have learnt when to kick with one leg, and when to spear with an arm, and you know you have to be straenlined etc.
Try to build a central core foundation thats like a floating vessel where arms and legs are passengers taking a participating ride.
Let the passengers loosen up a bit if they like , taking a sunbath while the cruiser moves forward.
Thats taking things to the extreme, because the passengers have to use the paddles eventually to make the cruiser move forward, but try to implement a few procent of this idea in your stroke.

Very general advice:
Swim like you do now, but just make your movements a bit longer and smoother, while keeping your bodyline straight using some main body tone.

If you read through all the threads on this forum you will find plenty that give specific technical answers on swimmers with similar stroke technique.

I am a fan of using an almost straight leg for getting the feeling of kicking from the hip (you do kick from the knee).
ON dryland, lie face down on a mattrass, with straight leg push top of one foot in mattrass, butt wants to rise, support with other side shoulder pressing in the mattrass, building a diagonal bridge. Not a high bridge, only one inch extra lift from the butt compared to relaxed. Switch left and right side diagonal bridges at a certain tempo.
The leg on the side of the shoulder that is pressing in the mattrass has to be lifted a bit too.
Feel that tension in your core?
Thats how your kick should feel during your swim. The knee can bend a bit during swimming, but not so much that you are loosing that basic core action.
Thanks for that!

working on your dry land exercise and I like your comments on working on inside out, working from the core.

Thanks again!
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Old 02-11-2016
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I would encourage you to reach further forwards with the hands. Your arm shape looks a bit crabby on some still frames.

This is harder with a deep spear as you have (or have picked up in TI workshop) but your point of balance may come up as your aquatic skills increase with pool time/mindful practice.

Well done so far.
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