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Old 01-20-2011
tskeltonpga tskeltonpga is offline
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Ok so I have been working hard on trying to rotate my hipsmore and shoulders less. drill suggestions? I really think it is over rotating the shoulders. It almost appears that as my right should comes up it moves too far left (above water). Could it be I'm rotating my hips enough but shoulders too much causing me to fishtail my lower body?

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I find it useful to remember that rotation is a consequence of spearing, rather than an aim in itself. Are you happy with your spearing action?
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I find it useful to remember that rotation is a consequence of spearing, rather than an aim in itself. Are you happy with your spearing action?
Nope. I'm actually working on shortening my reach and splashing less. I over reach. But my shoulders def are way over rotated compared to my hips before I even reach. Maybe too much finger tip drag trying to get my elbow really high???
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I don't think fingertip drag itself will cause over-rotation of the shoulders. You might want to try reaching at a shallower angle after re-entering the water at a steep angle (do this by focusing on reaching forwards rather than downwards after re-entry). This helped me reduce rotation to what I think is now the correct amount.
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Quickest way forward may be to get some underwater video done, as there are a number of things that may be causing the stacking.
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I feel like I pull my shoulder back as opposed to rotate. Like if you stand up straight and try to squeeze your shoulder blades together type action. Have some underwater video I will post shortly.
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Could the fish tailing be from kicking from my right foot as my right arm is spearing?

Just watched some videos of terry swimming. It appears that as the right hand is in front of the right hip (during the pull) his right foot is kicking. Which is the right foot kicking as the left hip drives down. I def feel like after watching that my left foot kicks as my left hip goes down and same for right side. Thoughts?

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The fish-tailing could also come from your spearing. You seem to spear with a lot of power, try to rely on gravity instead and let it slip into the water. Also, you spear to a position near the center and then sweep the arm outside. Try to spear a bit wider to begin with and leave it there until you start your stroke. I cannot quite see if you are actually kicking the wrong leg on the video. But you should kick the leg opposite to the spearing arm. You seem to be doing that on the video, but the legs are bouncing around so much that I cannot tell whether there may be an additional forceful kick where it should not be.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the rotation of your hips. If your hips actually rotated less than your shoulders, there would have to be a twist in your body. Maintain some body tension in order avoid any such twist.

Maybe as a drill try sculling on your back with the feet in front and the head in the back. Try to be as straight as possible, don't allow your mid-section to hang through. Be exactly at the surface from toes to head. Scull that way for four lengths. Then swim one or two lengths of freestyle. Then pause and repeat. You will feel a lot more stable since you take some of the body tension that you need for sculling into the freestyle length. I think this drill helped me several fold:

1) learning good core tension and alignment
2) training the muscles in my hands and lower arms, which regularly fatigued earlier than other muscles
3) breathe in a relaxed fashion while having a lot of tension in your core (yes, I think this is a great breathing drill)
4) sculling generally promotes a feel for the water and helps getting a better catch.

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To add to what Andreas has said, I have the following observations:

1. on recovery, your arm looks stiff rather than relaxed. The forearm should dangle loosely down;

2. on spearing, you seem to throw the same stiff arm into the water. If it were more relaxed at the point of entry, you might find it easier to 'reach' forwards as opposed to slapping down with the arm;

3. I couldn't tell from the videos but you may still be overreaching upon re-entry. Something of this is suggested by the frontal shots which appear to show the lead arm sinking slowly following re-entry into the water;

4. generally, your spearing looks like you're seeking propulsion by throwing the arms forward (something a lot of pre- or non-TI freestylers do) rather than spearing forward as the body unwinds following a flick of the opposite foot. Shinji's 'before and after' video has some footage which gets across very well what it looks like when the two-beat kick synchronises with (actually, just precedes) body roll to propel the lead arm through the water;

5. finally, you have what I would call a pretty solid non-TI stroke, the elements of which may need patient dismantling before reassembly. I'm not an aficionado of TI drills (I didn't have a stroke to undo) but they may help you in this respect.
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