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Old 06-01-2015
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Very impressive. Congratulations on a significant accomplishment.
The longest I ever did was 200m. As I am in my very late 70's I have let go of distance fly. Still enjoy 50 and 100m.
It would be interesting to know your height and weight. Most people I know who have done that kind of distance in the butterfly are people with a compareitively large frame and a comfortable amout of body fat.
I came across one woman who was only 5ft 6 in, and 130lbs who had done 3000m fly, she was the only one though.
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Old 11-21-2015
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I'm 5'7" and 185. Danny Projansky is about the same height and about 175. Here's a list of distance fly swims and speeds. I'm always looking for new entries!

http://openwaterpedia.com/index.php?...utterfly_Swims

Last edited by Suddethb : 06-20-2016 at 02:19 AM. Reason: Missed posting the link.
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Old 11-22-2015
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The greatest distance I have ever covered with my version of butterfly is 50m. Probably I have been DQ'd more often than not.

After my last DQ I decided to give up but then changed my mind again and am working on the foundation with a variety of drills. I may get the chance to try again for a 25m fly and 100 IM SC in January.

I have Terry's Betterfly DVD and also Shinji's 200m challenge and a variety of other materials.

It would be a great help if the local pool allowed fins, but perhaps I can fit in the occasional practice with fins in another pool.

I'm not looking for a fast fly, just a legal one.
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Old 11-23-2015
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Richard, I learned fly ONLY from the Betterfly DVD. It is one of my most prized possessions. After getting the knack with that, I spent lots of Kaizen focus time in the pool figuring out how to improve a tiny bit each swim. I'm focusing on open water swims primarily, hoping to do "unprecedented swim" records by being the first to ever butterfly the event. I'm OK in fly for pool competition, but rarely in the ribbons. I'm also coaching two blind athletes to improve their swimming. Not many of us are doing that. I'll take the niches I've carved out.
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Old 11-23-2015
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Hi Suddethb

That's a strong recommendation for Betterfly. I suppose I have to go back to the point where I can no longer follow the progression and persevere at that point. Sometimes I manage a single stroke that feels OK. I probably need a critical and knowledgeable observer.
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Old 07-11-2016
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Hello again
I'm pleased to see that there still a few people trying to fly. Having decided to reverse my decision to abandon my attempts to learn fly, partly because of meeting a coach who assured me that he could teach me to swim it, I decided to go back to basic principles and start again.

The coach turned out to be a will o' the wisp, so far at any rate, so I'm relying on youtube videos, books, the Betterfly DVD, Shinji's 200 meter challenge and other materials.

After some fairly intensive slow practice I discovered yesterday and today that I think I now know how to 'kick the hands out'. When it works it is a very pleasing feeling and I intend to concentrate on this aspect for a few weeks, along with a very slow gliding stroke, which I believe fits in with Brian's progress and the video on youtube of Ida Marko Varga and her gliding butterfly, which of course is a different beast altogether but an inspiration all the same. Later maybe, more rhythm and tempo can be added. Today I did a two-hour practice of almost all fly or fly-related drills. Twenty five yards or meters still seems quite a long way and the last two strokes or so seem to be the worst most of the time, but I can do a lot of them with a little rest at each wall (unusually, I was swimming today in a yards pool, one of the few left in Britain I imagine). Perhaps I can enter an IM in September or October, or maybe both if family commitments permit.
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Old 07-12-2016
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Richard, I'm inspired by your commitment to improvement, and would like to share ideas with you. I'm escorting blind swimmers in two events this year, and hoping to be able to complete a 2 mile or 5K in butterfly for myself. Feel free to contact me by email or on Facebook Brian at Suddeth dot com and I can fill you in on some of the things that broke the barriers for me in fly. Now I'm being inspired by folks like Danny Projansky and Vicki Keith! We chat regularly now. I'd love to be able to see your name on an open water swim in fly on my scoreboard.

http://openwaterpedia.com/index.php?...utterfly_Swims
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Old 07-12-2016
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Hi Brian

A couple of years ago on holiday in Nice (France) I swam quite a lot of a sort of slow fly and found it relatively easy to do because of the extra buoyancy of the salt water. Perhaps I should forsake the chlorinated waters of the local pools and try my luck in the rather cooler and rougher sea water. I could even use fins and paddles and a snorkel all of which are forbidden in the local pools, although it has been suggested that the university pool might allow fins. I will enquire.
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Old 07-13-2016
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I know, many say you won't need fins to learn butterfly, I found them very helpful.
I also was stuck when learning the fly. When frustrated I put on the fins (the first time) I realised I was kicking from the knees and not doing really a body-wave.
It was much more easy to correct this with fins. It feels a lot different.
Then I took them off and tried to get the same feeling in the core like with fins. It seems to be difficult to get rid of them if you use them very much, but only to get a glimpse of the right feeling and then trying to get the same without fins I found them great.
With more buoyancy I never tried, but I can today, it's very colt today so I will take my neoprene :o)
I think my fly is far from good now, but it feels relaxed and my hectic has gone.
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Old 07-14-2016
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Originally Posted by IngeA View Post
I know, many say you won't need fins to learn butterfly, I found them very helpful.
I also was stuck when learning the fly. When frustrated I put on the fins (the first time) I realised I was kicking from the knees and not doing really a body-wave.
It was much more easy to correct this with fins. It feels a lot different.
Then I took them off and tried to get the same feeling in the core like with fins. It seems to be difficult to get rid of them if you use them very much, but only to get a glimpse of the right feeling and then trying to get the same without fins I found them great.
With more buoyancy I never tried, but I can today, it's very colt today so I will take my neoprene :o)
I think my fly is far from good now, but it feels relaxed and my hectic has gone.
I originally learned to swim butterly using fins and, like you, found it hard to break free from using them. I was able to make some progress by gradually trimming the fins, but when the Betterfly DVD came out, I found that the new drill sequence eliminated the need for fins. Part of it is that the new sequence only has you do body pulsing for relatively short distances and progresses to longer distances only after you've progressed to stroking.
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