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Old 10-02-2012
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Default Shinji's 2 beak kick - angle & strength

When I am doing 2 beak kick, at the moment just before I trigger the kick , I found that :
(1) the angle between my two legs is a lot wider than what Shinji did in his vedio.
(2) I seem to whip my legs harder than what Shinji did in his vedio.

So I try to control my legs, narrow down the angle, and whip it slightly and it came out that my SPL goes up.

I need 2~3 more strokes to get to the other side at 50m pool.

Is there anything wrong for what I have done?
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You mean the SPL goes up at same tempo? You loose speed in other words?
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When I am doing 2 beak kick, at the moment just before I trigger the kick , I found that :
(1) the angle between my two legs is a lot wider than what Shinji did in his vedio.
(2) I seem to whip my legs harder than what Shinji did in his vedio.

So I try to control my legs, narrow down the angle, and whip it slightly and it came out that my SPL goes up.

I need 2~3 more strokes to get to the other side at 50m pool.

Is there anything wrong for what I have done?
Dear friend,

Unfortunately there is only a Shinji and honestly I don't think he is human, he is half fish
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You mean the SPL goes up at same tempo? You loose speed in other words?
yes, at the same tempo.
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yes, at the same tempo.
Hmmm, let me try to fair guess...

By opening your legs wider, or even too wide (note that there's a big difference between wider, and too wide. Terry opens wider compared to Shinji, but not necessarily too wide...), you may be causing a bit of drag resistance (hard to tell without seeing a clip).

But by wanting to mimic Shinji (for example) who may have an ankle flexibility level that's far better than yours (again, just assuming here), your kick becomes less efficient, and therefore now instead of creating drag as a result of opening too wide, you create even more drag as a result of having a lower body that's now too low.

Logically speaking, if you want to aim toward a compact 2bk and don't have a good ankle flexibility, then Balance remains your best way to achieve it.

But scissor kick is a big thing, and if you want yours to be evaluated, we do need a clip, shot from back view.
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Old 10-11-2012
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we do need a clip, shot from back view.
Please check the vedio as below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly-Wb...ature=youtu.be

Thanks a lot.
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Old 10-11-2012
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I'm not an expert coach but it seems you are kicking with both legs at once in a scissor kick. Try just kicking with just one leg and make sure it is the leg opposite the spearing arm. Just my 2 cents.
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Please check the vedio as below.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly-Wb...ature=youtu.be

Thanks a lot.
Your kick is indeed a bit wide:

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You are putting the brakes on in the image that charles posted. In order to regain momentum, you MUST kick hard and with both legs.

Make the kick non-existant first, then make it far, far, far smaller than you think it should be. then probabaly make it just a little smaller still and it might be as small as shinji's. ;)
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Make the kick non-existant first, then make it far, far, far smaller than you think it should be. then probabaly make it just a little smaller still and it might be as small as shinji's. ;)
Thanks for the reply.
The question is that when I try to make it smaller, my SPL goes up.
Is it really due to the ankle flexibility?
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