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Old 04-11-2017
Zenturtle Zenturtle is offline
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Default Avarage masters swim level

To compare with your own swimming, or to see if there is any correlation between technique and speed.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Zwemfilm/videos

Iits not all short distance sprint. Some slower rates distance strokes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDyEL_jEPZw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPtT9VN3Xz0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgZHLrU-7-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cftLodTFrEI


At another level, a documentary teaser about dutch olympic swimmers.Have to still wait some time untill its available on youtube.
http://www.cinemadelicatessen.nl/film/003-seconde/

https://vimeo.com/208632959
https://vimeo.com/208800902
etc

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Old 04-12-2017
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To compare with your own swimming, or to see if there is any correlation between technique and speed.
https://www.youtube.com/user/Zwemfilm/videos

Iits not all short distance sprint. Some slower rates distance strokes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDyEL_jEPZw
Nice videos, very professional split times graphics :) So, what's your overall comment, ZT? Mine is: pretty fast people given the technique showed. In the 50m relays (first video of the list) I didn't see anyone under 20SPL and I also saw some bad turns, however many swimmers went under 30s. In the 800m video quoted above, the winner finished in under 12 minutes hitting 25SPL in the last 2 lengths.

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Old 04-12-2017
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A lot of different personal styles, long strokes, short strokes etc.
The main thing that stood out for me that the vast majority had a good anchor to anchor connection through the bodyroll and had a rhythm working for them to connect all the dots. Especially the females are nicely rolling from side to side.
Thats whats often missing in the avarage pool and among starting triathletes.
I saw my bodybending style looked pretty powerfull and could keep up pretty well, but the fastest swimmers managed to keep this bending more under control. Too much bending seems to cause too much extra drag in the end.
EVF is rare, also under these folks. They still achieve pretty good traction with a reasonable good paddle shape though. Surprisingly good impression of anchoring despite this, as said before.

In general, a fluid rolling, almost straight,balanced body without unneeded movements is a strong weapon.
Gerrys taut body is still a valuable asset.
Next comes the rhytmical rolling from anchor to anchor point to power that body forward.
Another point is that they dont kick much from the knee. They can kick a bit much, but usually the kick technique per legkick is pretty effective.
The kicks are sometimes not totally in sync, but not totally off either. Most have connected kicks.
Strength is usefull too. Comparing the most powerfull guys to the females, you see these guys take very big strong steps through the water, swimming rings around rest.

There also seem to be the lazy fluient swimmers (the slow stroking guy at the front ) and the more energetic types with the more shorter scrappy strokes. Sometimes the real lazy swimmerstyle wins, sometimes the little high energy type.

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Old 04-13-2017
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Hi ZT


I am very interested by your 'anchor to anchor through bodyroll' point. Could you elaborate some more:
- how do you exactly define 'anchor'?
- when do you start to 'roll'? And which parts of body: only the torso or also the hips? How to avoid zigzagging?
- you mention a lot 'connecting': what do you mean specifically?

Any video's or suggested drills are greatly appreciated :-)

Thanks a lot!
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Old 04-13-2017
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had a look at one of your videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FrdDc4mwfk

Looks to me you have some sort of mental image in your head of how an elite looks above water and you try to swim like that.
You are trying too hard. Stop the exagerated recovery and extension.
Too much kick effort and too much extending and narrow recovery that bends the body too much.Keep the arms in a comfortable range on wider tracks. with the straight rolling pencil in the middle.
Focus on having a stable, aligned and balanced body and try to feel its natural roll frequency. You have to slow down for this and feel for a pendulum like rhythm that rocks the boat from left to right automatically when you hit a certain (low)strokerate.
Strip your stroke to the bare mimimum in movements.
You need very little movment to move forward once you let your body roll and just anchor your arms in the water at the reversing points of the body roll rhythm.
Anchoring is the swim cliche of having the arm connected/not slipping in the water and leveraging your body forward over the arm.
Your arm is locked on the water from a little before shoulder height, and you are accelerating the body forward faster and faster to the end while you roll to the other side where the same happens at the other side.
These woman roll pretty relaxed from side to side, from anchor to anchor. dont seem to do much, but move at a decent pace.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgLAl3c1kpk

Once you can roll without a kick, you can add some extra power with the kick.

have this mental picture in your mind. Arms can be wide, the rest has to stay streamlined, narrow and almost straight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WAHVUZeNlk
Armtiming is not TI like, but bodyline and kick is very nice
A more TI like style example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xgt_lZfi_i4

or this well known example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bPvk0paWcg

By extending forward a lot (which is good if it doesnt lead to a dropped elbow) you can bend your body in 2 ways:
-too much to the center lets you fishtail,
-too much to the side lets your body skate out too much to the left and to the right
You have to find a optimum between these 2.
KPN tends to do the last, but this is the way for you to correct your current style.

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Old 04-15-2017
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That is an old video, but you are 100% correct to smack me upside the head: I overthink it (I am a mathimatician...) and focus too much on minimizing SPL

I tried your suggestions in the pool: it feels much more relaxed and for the first time EVER I feel like there is no stop/pause in my stroke

Adore your image of the pendulum and term 'rolling' which in my view is much much better than 'rotate': more relaxed and 'continuous'

Not yet ready for anchoring part, that's for when my body will fully understand pendulum/roll/wide tracks

Thanks a lot!!
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