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Old 05-21-2018
Tom Pamperin Tom Pamperin is offline
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Since lower arm is extended, holding the water, I see no way to throw upper side and recover, than to use kick as support.
With a stable torso and good balance, there should be no reason to use the kick (or anything else) as support. The torso is supported by the water, not by body movements.

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Without a kick, there must be lower arm anchor. I hesitate to anchor early, so kick is quite important. Having all that in place, I am able to make vertical forearm and hold a lot of water. Not to keep it, but to lean on it and go further.
I think you mean you are kicking while the recovery happens, and before the spearing arm enters the water. Did I understand that correctly?

If so, then you seem to be doing something different from the Shinji, Terry, Coach Mandy, and the other TI demo videos. Have you tried doing it their way? I'd be interested in hearing how it goes for you if you do give it a try.
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Old 05-21-2018
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As promised, I paid attention to kick timing during recovery phase.
Since lower arm is extended, holding the water, I see no way to throw upper
side and recover, than to use kick as support. Without a kick, there must be
lower arm anchor. I hesitate to anchor early, so kick is quite important.
Having all that in place, I am able to make vertical forearm and hold a lot of
water. Not to keep it, but to lean on it and go further.
Best regards.
Yes this was my point, the lower arm anchor is locked about halfway theough the recovery which makes a corckscew action of the body at entry the 2bk is the naturally occuring tail end of the corskcew ripple through out the body & down the leg

mine occurs as the underwater arm passes the shoulder and accelerates to finish / exit
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Old 05-21-2018
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when i watch shinji i can see the corkscrew action ending with a flick down the leg
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Old 05-22-2018
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With a stable torso and good balance, there should be no reason to use the kick (or anything else) as support. The torso is supported by the water, not by body movements.
I have a balance, quite easily.
Have to go to the pool to check out when I kick, but, out of the water,
I'm sure I use kick to enable "throw one side of the body". There is just
nothing to help me, if I do not kick. Lower arm is patient and extended.
I will answer at weekend. What I'm positive is that I think and probably
use recovery and kick for the same thing.
For me an anchor is separated from recovery. I do not use an anchor to
propel and help recovery. I do it later.To add to the momentum.
As I said, cannot say for sure without a pool.
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Old 05-22-2018
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Default >>Rotation/Catch/Kick Variants in Synchronization and Timing

I have followed the expanding discussion to my initial naive question with great interest and satisfaction. I have gained a lot of insight from the contributors' knowledge, from the questions asked and answered, and even from the as yet unresolved issues. This is great guys!

However, for the sake of those trying to follow the thread topic, I have edited the original thread title, because the discussion sort of morphed into Rotation/Catch/Kick synchronization variants. I will start a new thread with this new title, because that's what seems to be the crux of the current discussion, and the discussion can continue there.

PS: Hmm, it seems I can't change or edit the thread title, so I'll just add a descriptive title to this last post on this now poorly-named thread

Last edited by sclim : 05-22-2018 at 11:19 PM. Reason: Discussion topic has drifted from original title
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