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Old 03-01-2015
Joern.pellum Joern.pellum is offline
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Recentley I saw a DVD of a danish coach Bo Jacobsen with swimdrills.
One of the drills was called kayaking, i.e you are moving your arms as if they were connected, like when you are rowing a kayak.
The drill seemed strange to me, as it is the opposite of front quadrant swimming, but I gave it a try about one month ago, and I have no regrets.
It gave me a clear sense of, what it means to anchor your arm, and the anchoring starts at the moment your opposite arm starts its recovery. I really felt I was crawling, guess that's why freestyle also is called frontcrawl.
The challenge has now been to get the drill implemented in my swimming. I have done this by speeding up recovery, while the other arm patiently hold the water.
I feel the drill has improved my swimming, which has now become more smoth.
I could not find the drill on Youtube, but I hope my description is sufficient.
Maybe it can be helpful to other swimmers.
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Old 03-06-2015
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Popov used it a lot in his training.
Its not typical FQ longdistance technique
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BrRIZFk7O4
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At what time stamp does the drill occur, please?
17:00?

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At what time stamp does the drill occur, please?
17:00?
From 11.40. I love this clip. Thank you Zenturtle. Lots of other god afvises too.
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One of the things I think I am seeing in Popov's stroke is that his elbow as he comes out of the water in the back is dangerously close to over-rotating over his body. Do other people have the same impression? I think he manages to keep his shoulder internally rotated in spite of this, which may be a feat of extraordinary flexibility, but I'm not sure. Interested in other's thoughts on this.
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One of the things I think I am seeing in Popov's stroke is that his elbow as he comes out of the water in the back is dangerously close to over-rotating over his body. Do other people have the same impression? I think he manages to keep his shoulder internally rotated in spite of this, which may be a feat of extraordinary flexibility, but I'm not sure. Interested in other's thoughts on this.
He's hypermobile, as are most (all?) elite swimmers.
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Suzanne, is kayaking compatible with FQ swimming (and especially the patient lead hand of TI FQ swimming)?

It seems to me that in kayaking the pull/push is begun before the recovery hand enters the water e.g at 12:25, where Popov's lead hand is not yet in the water and his UW stroke is close to completion.
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Suzanne, is kayaking compatible with FQ swimming (and especially the patient lead hand of TI FQ swimming)?

It seems to me that in kayaking the pull/push is begun before the recovery hand enters the water e.g at 12:25, where Popov's lead hand is not yet in the water and his UW stroke is close to completion.
I regard kayaking AS a drill and NOT a goal for swimming. To me it was a sensation of "aha".
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You can try to keep the rhytmical kayak feeling when you slowly shift to front quadrant.
When you get nearer to catchup, the rhythm starts to stall, aty least, thats my experience.
Keeping fluid while lengthening the stroke. It is a good drill.
I am slowly getting better at it.
The focus shifts from falling in the catch in waterpolo style to pure backward push while corkscrewing forward when going from waterpolo heads up to heads down and even under in pencil straight style.

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I regard kayaking AS a drill and NOT a goal for swimming. To me it was a sensation of "aha".
Can you explain what that ahah moment was of, or how the drill fits with FQ Joern? I realize I used to do the kayak exercise in gym at school. I remember the experience of it. It's a nice movement. It's just that I'm unclear of what it's relationship is to FQ swimming as that kayak link of the shoulders doesn't seem to me to be part of FQ. It seems to me something like gaining insight into the pas de deux from practising the tango. Of course everything is related to everything else in some way or another it's just that I'd like to understand what the crossover is in this case.
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