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Old 08-10-2011
kittyhawksurf kittyhawksurf is offline
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i have googled this to death and can't find the answer. I am sure it is ridiculously obvious to everyone.

Do you count each pull or each cycle when counting strokes?

Maybe I should have looked up the def for stroke. Just thought of that.
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Count each pull.
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i have googled this to death and can't find the answer. I am sure it is ridiculously obvious to everyone.

Do you count each pull or each cycle when counting strokes?

Maybe I should have looked up the def for stroke. Just thought of that.
When I queried Shinji way back when, the proper way to count strokes is:

You launch off the wall and pull back one arm. This pull back is NOT counted.

The first count is on the next spear, which in theory is synced with a stroke. But this also coincides with not counting that first pull back after launching off the wall since you really didn't spear; both your arms were forward of your head after push off the wall.

Then count each spear forward until you reach the other wall. It's a small detail versus counting the pull back but it may help you conceptually count more consistently..
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The counting method described by dshen is the usual TI way. Stated more simply, count each hand entry -- that is what the coaches do.
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The counting method described by dshen is the usual TI way. Stated more simply, count each hand entry -- that is what the coaches do.
Thx. I've always wondered about that, but was always afraid to ask because it was just going to be one off either way.
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That's insane. I have a swimovate watch that says I am doing 14 strokes on average in a 25 meter pool. I thought that was pretty good, but I am actually doing more like 25 by counting pulls which seems not so good. Hmmm, back to the drawing board.
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I am doing 14 strokes on average in a 25 meter pool. I thought that was pretty good, but I am actually doing more like 25 by counting pulls which seems not so good.
Don't be discouraged. The smoothest adult rec swimmers seen in the local pool hit about 8-10 full cycles, or 16-20 pulls at a moderate 25-30 secs/25 yard pace.
Speaking of smooth, here is something to work towards.^_^ Exaggerated, but pretty.

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That's insane. I have a swimovate watch that says I am doing 14 strokes on average in a 25 meter pool. I thought that was pretty good, but I am actually doing more like 25 by counting pulls which seems not so good. Hmmm, back to the drawing board.
yeah I made that same observation with mine, in fact the swimovate watch counts the strokes of the wrist that carries it, so when it says 9 strokes average it is really 18 strokes total! :)
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Old 08-13-2011
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Don't be discouraged. The smoothest adult rec swimmers seen in the local pool hit about 8-10 full cycles, or 16-20 pulls at a moderate 25-30 secs/25 yard pace.
Speaking of smooth, here is something to work towards.^_^ Exaggerated, but pretty.
Funny...moderate 25-30 secs for 25 yards. It has taken me 4 months of swimming 4 times a week to get my 100 meter sets at 1:35. My stroke count is actually about 21. Should I try to do less strokes than 21? Pull harder and glide more?
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I didn't know that you don't count the first pull. I always count it. That means my stroke count is actually one less than I thought it was!!
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