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Old 12-16-2016
s.sciame s.sciame is offline
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I came by chance to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoIjTGGy-Pc

Is this the right way to swim for such a young boy?

Salvo

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he's in the best age to learn and shows good coordination. In a couple of years he could swim with these 2 guys (sub 20min over 1500):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7M2YMgqjCY

But I'm afraid this won't going to happen if he keeps swimming like that.

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Old 12-16-2016
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Hi Salvo,

Not sure what you're concerned about here. If you look at the comments below the video, the young man says he can sprint a lot faster than this. So here are the things I don't understand: Why did he want to show film of himself swimming at this very relaxed pace? What are his goals in swimming? How much of his time is he swimming fast and how much of his time is he swimming at this pace? Is it the pace that is upsetting you?
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Old 12-16-2016
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Originally Posted by s.sciame View Post
I came by chance to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoIjTGGy-Pc

Is this the right way to swim for such a young boy?

Salvo

EDIT:
he's in the best age to learn and shows good coordination. In a couple of years he could swim with these 2 guys (sub 20min over 1500):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7M2YMgqjCY

But I'm afraid this won't going to happen if he keeps swimming like that.
Is this where you're inviting criticisms and troubleshooting suggestions? He has a nice catchup stroke or "patient lead hand". But I think he has a bit of a trunk "banana bend", so his head rises too much, and as part of this his breathing lifts his head and mouth too high. His recovery is a little higher than necessary for maximal economy. But maybe he is not shooting for economy?
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Hey, I posted this clip in another thread.
Think his stroke looks pretty good basically. Only weird thing that his kicking is done 90 % only with his right leg. Kicks against his rotation a lot of times, but it doesnt seem to matter much.
A lot of dead time, but it still looks pretty fluent. Not bad for improving awareness. Probably his stroke will look better if he fires up his engine.
Dont hink this is his race pace.
Are there boys of his age that swim as fast as the other boys with this long style, or is it something that is developed later?
Goswim is also promoting a long stroke in some sense:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vco6qGTSQ48

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Old 12-18-2016
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This is a personal opinion. To me, there's a ton of difference between the Goswim boy and the first boy (Timothy):

1) Timothy is killing his rhythm. Dropping his cadence at 45SPM or under is so unnatural for such a young boy (unless this is a balance drill and nothing more). At his age he would naturally swim at twice the stroke rate. It's like to see a young boy marching instead of running. At his age boys are eager, they want to run everywhere and should be doing this. They have all the life to learn patience, catchup timing and swimming at low rates.

2) the Goswim boy keeps his natural flutter kick. Timothy is killing his kick. At his age he doesn't need to "save" the legs, he wants to use them and keep his ankle flexibility that otherwise he will lose. He's still in time to develop that propulsive kick we will never have: he'll need it if he'll choose to be a sprinter of middle distance swimmer (or in the last 50 of a long distance race). Again, he has all the life to "save" his legs.

Just my opinion,
Salvo
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Have you become kicktastic Salvo? ;-)
The Goswim boy has a 6- 10 BK! (at the end of the clip)


You are right offcourse, if the 1.5 BK boy wants to get faster, swimming this way al the time wont make that happen.

By the way, I am not so strict anymore about the correct kicktiming. Swimmers with a lot of kicks simply devide the rotation over more kicks. More whole/half rotational kicks during the cycle.
Some really use 2 big rotational kicks in a 6BK, but others devide rotation a bit between the first and the third kick.

KPN and mr smooth have a completely different accent in their kick despite being both elite front quadrant 6BK swimmers.
Mr smooth has more relative shoulder roll and is more toward the edge of frontquadrant timing, which shifts the main kick to the 3th kick instead of the first ( KPN style).
(first kick being the first big downkick at the same side after catch)

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