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Old 05-01-2018
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Default Psychology of length barriers.

I thought I might post this hopefully to support those who have struggled as I have with learning freestyle.

I have noticed recently on the forums that Cathy has been getting frustrated with swimming and she has a better style than I do.

Last night I swam, non stop, 16 lengths (no biggy to many of you), previous longest swim was 8 lengths last week. A 100% increase either side of the weekend. But....

Was this as tough as the increase from 25m to 50m or 50m to 75m?? No way. I thought I was going to be stuck at 25m for ever. My chest would tighten, my brain would absolutely display refusal behaviour.

I hope Cathy sticks at it, because in my opinion, she is so close to breaking the biggest barrier. All the dominoes should tumble after that.

I'm not a coach or a very good swimmer, but if I can help with any advice or visualisations of the early part of my journey, please let me know.

Andy
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Old 05-01-2018
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That's exactly what I think.

It's like a child learning to read. First I puzzles all the letters together and then, suddenly it can read fluently without effort.

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Inge
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Old 05-01-2018
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Default I still need to get my first breath

That's why I was frustrated (assuming you meant me). If I could get one *** breath, soon I'd be up to a kilometer, I have zero doubts. I just can't seem to get the first one!

I honestly don't think it's psychology. It's something technical in my case.

I do believe that going from 50m to 400m is all in the head, though!
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Old 05-01-2018
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Hello Cathy,

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I honestly don't think it's psychology. It's something technical in my case.
Might be the psychology how to deal with this very special technic :-)

What just came into my mind; did you ever try what most of FS-learners do? Simply getting a breathe in any way. Included all things extremely bad from TI's point of view... stretching and bending the neck, lean on the front-arm, jumping with your upper body and head out of the water... Sure you'll find all these things in the strokes of course-swimmers who "learned" breathing in four weeks. And sure you're always trying to get your breathe in ideal and very best TI-form... Have in mind, even Terry noticed a tiny, never noticed before, head-lifting in his stroke on one side... when he chosed the videos for his Mastery 2.0.

You're still here. Very good!

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Werner
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Old 05-01-2018
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I am here but I must say I'm just as *** off as I was last week. Frustrated is an understatement. I'm a perfectionist and a structural engineer. Possibly the worst combo ever!! Everything.Must.Be.Perfect...

Say, I happen to get a breath (imaginary situation, hasn't happened yet, but happened with other things many times) but simultaneously, say, I drop the elbow? I may even stop mid-lane...

Johnny would then ask, why did you stop? Resume stroking. Cathy: Í÷÷÷ because I noticed I was doing stop-and-go again before I went into recovery//my stroke timing fell apart//my pinky finger on my third hand was in the wrong angle. Johnny: No problem, continue! Cathy: Coach, no can do (brainf*k)...

This is also the answer to your question, Werner, if I've tried to take a wonky breath. Yes and no... I did try but it's hard, probably even harder for me to do than to nail a clip-worthy TI breath (eventually)...

PS. I only posted that because there was a new post in my thread asking me what's up. I hope I didn't scare her away... I posted that in the heat of the moment. I just blew up. I couldn't contain my frustration anymore. Actually what I'd have needed was probably a hug, rather than more advice -- it was that bad.



@Bada Bing:
If you have any visualization to get my first ever breath, please shoot!


One day I came home from work with 100+ printed pages from this forum... I printed every breathing thread with 20+ comments and/or interesting title/opening comment... I've found many gems already but I'm still not breathing.



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...getting a breathe in any way. Included all things extremely bad from TI's point of view... stretching and bending the neck, lean on the front-arm, jumping with your upper body and head out of the water... Sure you'll find all these things in the strokes of course-swimmers who "learned" breathing in four weeks. And sure you're always trying to get your breathe in ideal and very best TI-form...
You're still here. Very good!

Best regards,
Werner
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Hello Cathy,

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Actually what I'd have needed was probably a hug, rather than more advice -- it was that bad.
Although a little bit late... hug you.... (my wife allowed...)

... and now let's go to the pool for half an hour with one single FP from the way to breathing... which one would you like?

Best regards,
Werner

PS: Most times it's easier to learn new things... but sometimes going to from the bad learned to the right things just is an other stony but possible way. Hmm... but whom do I tell this? Think you'll still know it much better...
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Old 05-02-2018
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That's why I was frustrated (assuming you meant me). If I could get one *** breath, soon I'd be up to a kilometer, I have zero doubts. I just can't seem to get the first one!

I honestly don't think it's psychology. It's something technical in my case.

I do believe that going from 50m to 400m is all in the head, though!
Cathy, can you not get a first breath after the initial push-offf from the wall? Usually that's the easiest one because one's body is in a good horizontal position.
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Old 05-02-2018
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That's why I was frustrated (assuming you meant me). If I could get one *** breath, soon I'd be up to a kilometer, I have zero doubts. I just can't seem to get the first one!

I honestly don't think it's psychology. It's something technical in my case.

I do believe that going from 50m to 400m is all in the head, though!
Can you roll onto your back to breathe? This is something we recommend to open water swimmers who need to rest (or who feel that they need to catch their breath) when they're in water over their head with no pool wall where they can stop.


Bob
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Old 05-02-2018
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Can you roll onto your back to breathe? This is something we recommend to open water swimmers who need to rest (or who feel that they need to catch their breath) when they're in water over their head with no pool wall where they can stop.

Bob
I can :)

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Cathy, can you not get a first breath after the initial push-offf from the wall? Usually that's the easiest one because one's body is in a good horizontal position.
Good question! I'll try next...
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Old 05-03-2018
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Default Probavly close to breaking through?

As ofthismorning, I can breathe with a "risky breath" (water touching corners of mouth) consistently, to my left side, with short fins and a flutter kick. Not without fins and/or 2bk yet, and I didn't even try the other side.

Sequence was sweet spot >> breathe in skate with fins several lengths (kid pool, only 17m long) >> add strokes. I'm probably overrotating slightly but I'm able to keep the rhythm without serious balance loss and I have patient lead arm & hands. Also head parallel to water and breath is "risky".

My stroke count goes up, though. Clearly a work in progress...
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