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Old 07-27-2011
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Phelps' (not full speed racing) sure looks very TI to me. Take a peek at this you-tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_M7P...ure=grec_index
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Was interesting in a recent interview to hear Ian Thorpe say that he thought freestyle technique had gone backwards since he retired.
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If you listen to their coaches and read their technical workouts, many of these swimmers have build their strokes up earlier and continue (but as a lower proportion of their volume) using drills almost exactly like the ones in TI. If you watch many of their stroke videos, you'll hear the same principles. Don't miss the forest for the trees- little details that aren't in agreement shouldn't override the low stroke count (not lowest, but avoiding spinning their wheels too much), hip/core drive/ posture/ etc principles that all those swimmers have in common

When Shinji came for the coach summit last year, I took his stroke, which he loves to do around 1.2-1.4 seconds per stroke, and dropped him down around .8 or .9. It was smooth, graceful, fast, and a bit splashy. He built it up using Ti but now it makes a solid middle-distance and mid-range sprint stroke, too.
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Old 07-28-2011
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When Shinji came for the coach summit last year, I took his stroke, which he loves to do around 1.2-1.4 seconds per stroke, and dropped him down around .8 or .9. It was smooth, graceful, fast, and a bit splashy. He built it up using Ti but now it makes a solid middle-distance and mid-range sprint stroke, too.
Very interested in knowing a bit more detail. After the increase of stroke rate, what is the effect on the stroke count? How long can Shinji maintain the stroek rate at 0.8 or 0.9?
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Phelps' (not full speed racing) sure looks very TI to me. Take a peek at this you-tube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_M7P...ure=grec_index


And did you notice he's even doing what appears to be a relaxed two beat kick.

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Old 07-28-2011
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Default TI wins gold easy

interesting post, I have been watching most of the freestyle events and noticed there are three overriding characteristics of elite swimmers

vertical forearm, balance, body roll. most enjoyable for me was the 100m heats as you could visibly see the technique improve with the times over the 14 heats.

then along comes Sun in the 800m and demonstrates exaggerated TI technique and demolishes the field. 28-29 strokes per length, 5 less than hackett, same coach. of course being 6ft 7 is no bad thing either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyofiWUw6ZY

I also noticed the 16yr old chinese girl in the 1500m was very TI, so the chinese are on to something here.
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Default Shangai final 800 m- freestyle men.

There you are the answer. Look de 100% Totalimmersion freestyle of SUN, winner.
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Just watched the 800m. Wow. Sun has one of the most enviable strokes I have seen.
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That was a thing of beauty to watch!!
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Sun really just toyed with the other finalist, of whom there are some really outstanding swimmers - Cochrane, Mellouli, Vanderkaay. I've never seen anyone hold a stroke count that low in an elite freestyle final of any distance. He increased his SPL 'all the way' to 32 while sprinting all out on the final 50.

This should put to rest questions about whether TI-style technique (and we are not 'claiming' Sun for TI) limits one's ability to optimize your speed potential.

At least until the next time someone makes that criticism.
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