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![]() Ah yes, you're quite right, but I was swimming double-arm with inverted breaststroke kick. Normally I switch to back crawl at the flags but I was so intent on going a bit faster that I forgot the flag and - bam! Arms at sides unfortunately (:-). I suppose one has a fifty-fifty chance with this style.
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This is consistent with the TI core principles of reducing drag before increasing propulsion and of saving energy over increasing your capacity for hard work, force production or power. Don't be surprised if I post reminders in this vein on the majority of my Forum posts, until it's permanently embedded in the "group think" here. How to think about streamlining in BK kick? 1) Do your feet and lower legs stay within the space your torso passed through? 2) Do your feet remain consistently streamlined within the line of your lower leg -- or at least the upper leg if your flexibility doesn't permit that? 3) Are the toes of both feet nearly touching most of the time - aiming for a "pigeon-toe" can help. A steady, unbroken (i.e. 6-beat) kick is much more the norm in BK kicking than in freestyle. When you streamline well, you may be more conscious of feeling your feet slip through the water with relatively little effort -- and consequently little fatigue. Many of the suggestions posted here for improving the kick are sound. The drill sequence on the Backstroke for Every Body DVD can be easily adapted for the focal points I listed. |
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Mike Last edited by Mike from NS : 11-10-2008 at 12:59 AM. Reason: off topic perhaps |
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![]() Richard--Thanks for the tip on registering again. I was becoming very frustrated
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![]() Mike
I definitely feel - and focus on - the pigeon-toed sensation prominently in BK and little, if at all, in FR. |
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Long ago you suggested that I shouldn't be too concerned over a non-propulsive kick - in time it would likely develop, and it wasn't a critical factor in the great scheme of things. My efforts to better balance, streamline and relax have helped a kick develop to some point. It was thrilling when the kick first worked and the pool bottom moved for an extended period! Now I'm anxious to try the suggestions you and the others have made here in backstroke. To kick UP or DOWN was always one of my questions too. (The 2BK is coming along but I have to learn how much/or little to kick as over/or under rotation is common for me.) Mike |
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![]() Focusing on pigeon toed in back also seems to help if you have a tendency to bend your knees too much.
Dave |
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![]() I know I promised you the video .I was going to post it last week but there is just a couple things I'm trying to work out in my strokes .Even after practicing TI for the past 12-13 years sometimes in back and free I feel as if my legs have a mind of their own if I'm not thinking about it and am still trying to work out the 2 beat kick . In butterfly when I watch the video sometimes my arms don't clear the surface enough .I'm a little picky ,however I'll try to post the video as soon as I can.
Dave Last edited by daveblt : 11-19-2008 at 01:56 AM. |
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I was thinking about the elevation of the body during or before recovery. There seems to be a link with the position of the feet. At some point, it seems the feet and the top of the head are at the surface of the water. Then the feet slip under and the body rises up. Delaying the whip of the legs seems to make things easier. I can't wait to get over this cold and work on there things more. |
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Bending the knee on the down kick and pulling adds nothing in the way of power or propulsion, in fact adds drag, and puts undue stress on the calves and back of knee. I've found info in this thread very helpful. Fine points like slight inversion of toes, easily missed; glad to know difference in application between BK and FR. Can't wait to get back in the water next week. Thanks all. |
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