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Old 08-04-2012
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Default What can i do.

Another 20 hours of TI drills before i swam in the lake. Have to wear a wetsuit as i have no confidence in my swimming - feel as if i am sinking. Am officially the worse swimmer at the club. I was in the middle before TI. WHAT CAN I DO?
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Old 08-04-2012
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How does the wetsuit help? Just makes you go faster or does it also help staying afloat?

I am in the same boat as you (bad pun I know since we are actually sinking :P). I feel I'm not improving. I'm doing drills but still feel like I'm sinking, no confidence in the water. Just like what you are describing. I use the newest TI freestyle DVD.

Yesterday I read the PDF for the DVD and it gives me some hope. Here is a quote from it:

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Among the four strokes, balance is most delicate in crawl, but once learned, allows you to swim almost any distance. If you tire while running, you can always walk. Balance gives swimmers a ‘walking option.’
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Most Balance drills are Tuneups and seemingly quite simple. Despite that simplicity, you’ll gain much by devoting at least a couple of hours to them. Any swimmer who has experienced discomfort, felt as if you were sinking, or found it difficult to relax the kick will benefit immensely from ‘too much’ Balance practice.
I rushed through Lesson 1 in the DVD. In fact, I rushed through the first 5 lessons in less than an hour. This PDF recommends you spend 1-2 hours just on Lesson 1.

So, I have the same problem as you. I have trained for a few weeks, focusing on hand positions, breathing, and all little details which have gotten me no where. But yesterday I read all these things in the PDF and have decided it is time for me to go back to the basics in balance (superman glide) and spend as long as needed until I feel a change that helps my whole stroke.
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Old 08-05-2012
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Default Balance Drills are CRUCIAL!

It is tempting to rush through the balance drills but don't. I have been a student of TI for 6 years and I am still doing Superman Glide and Skating and learning from them.

If you have "mastered" balance, you should be able to push off into SG, go into a skate position, then bring your recovery arm to the entry point and hold it there.....and hold and hold and hold-staying horizontal, without rotating or losing your balance and without kicking! Shinji can do this and if you make this your standard, you will see what true balance is.

Try standing at attention like you are in the military, pressing your chest way out (exaggerate to get the feel of what I am talking about), then do that in the water with your arms in SG position, in front of you but not reaching. This should give you a distinct feeling of going downhill. I am sure there is plenty written about SG here in the forum but these are the sensations you should be looking for.

Have fun with it....learning this stuff isn't a race, but it is a challenge.
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Old 08-05-2012
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Thankyou,
My TI coach does not do SG but advocates skating which i am good at. Should i perservere with gliding as i just sink.
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Old 08-06-2012
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Default more on sinking and SG

None of us here on the forum can second-guess your coach who knows you and sees you swim.

My comment is merely to point out that in my experience, there is value in continuing to pursue balance improvements. Learning to achieve and maintain a horizontal position in the water is valuable, even if you sink while doing it.

I find that having certain students hold their breath during drills (rather than continuously letting out air) keeps them afloat longer.

Another thought is that since you race in your wetsuit, there is nothing wrong with practicing in it. Let's face it, on race day if you are in a wetsuit, it really doesn't matter how well you swim in a pool without one.
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Old 08-10-2012
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Default Thankyou lady fish

Think the holding the breath helped a little. The reason for the wet suit ... i want to be free from it ,but have no confidence in my swimming to swim without it . That sinking feeling is not a nice feeling. I have just done another 6 hours of practice and still a long way off.
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Old 08-10-2012
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Default What is swimming?

I rarely will take exception to discussions on this forum, even with Lawrence I bit my fingers and let it be.

I am quite opinionated to the point that swimming with wetsuits, in various events, for those who can not swim without the aid of a suit is indeed not swimming. I have been around tris since the early 80's when wetsuits were almost unheard of.

Ironman Wisconsin has one of the best, if not the best viewing venues for swimming. Standing on the deck watching the start, one thought has to jump out at you. What do many of these people think they are doing? The only thing which keeps them from the bottom is rubber. Wetsuits give a false sense of ability which can lead to tragedy.

Do I use a wetsuit? Yes. Do I consider it swimming. No, I use one for safety when in OW alone or water temps mandate.

Just my opinion, and hopefully words for thought.

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Old 08-11-2012
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I agree totally and can not wait to dump suit. Safety a big issue and confidence in my stroke , but trying to perservere with TI.

Thanks for comments as keeps me going.
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Old 08-11-2012
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Default Kudos

Smat,

Kudos to you for having a grasp of what it is and where you want to go. Through those times of frustration and just wanting to say screw, make sure you come to this forum. Express your thoughts, the support with feedback from members will keep you on the path.

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