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Old 03-02-2018
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Default Vaulting stroke - Paul Arvin

In the video below of TI coach Paul Arvin swimming with Terry,
it struck me how clearly Arvin's switches show a vaulting action.
He gets a nice surge on every stroke. He's fast.

By contrast, Terry's super-refined stroke is so blended that the
vaults aren't so clear.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZodlnDDsHuo

My question is:- Is this vaulting action with a clear surge
the thing to aim for? Or would you say that Arvin is putting too
much pressure on his anchoring arm, and might wipe out his
arm and shoulder muscles quickly? (I assume not as he's a TI coach).
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I see maybe just a little more rhythm ?

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Old 03-02-2018
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I'm not sure what you mean by "vaulting action". The main things I notice are that Terry is leading with his elbow during recovery longer than Paul is and is therefore getting a bit more of an assist from gravity as his arm enters the water, and that Terry's arm entry appears to be a tiny bit smoother and drag-free than Paul's.


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I'm not sure what you mean by "vaulting action"
Hi Bob,

I agree that Terry has technically better recovery mechanics.

By "vault" I mean:-
1. Low-side arm anchors
2. Body is briskly rotated past the anchor.

I believe it's a widely used term... it's even used in Richard Quick's videos.

Also eg.
https://swimminglessonsideas.com/201...yle-continued/

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Hi Bob,

I agree that Terry has technically better recovery mechanics.

By "vault" I mean:-
1. Low-side arm anchors
2. Body is briskly rotated past the anchor.

I believe it's a widely used term... it's even used in Richard Quick's videos.

Also eg.
https://swimminglessonsideas.com/201...yle-continued/
Terry's stroke looks more like he's grasping at moonbeams.
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Old 03-03-2018
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I see maybe just a little more rhythm ?

Dave
Yes, the "vault" is rhythm

This is how i get my "bobbing" motion in the stroke

With a quick anchor of the lead arm and a "vault" over it using momentum from the high side arm coming over and in

the high side arm reaching shoulder height makes a connection with the underwater arm pulling it into the catch anchor where it locks on and the spear drives you on forwards again

this way there is no pulling just anchoring the stroke is still driven by forward spearing / weight shift (TI principle)

Get it right (as the guy in video is doing) and you will get a rhythmical surging bobbing motion and great speed

you can catch the breath on the upwards bob giving a smidge more lift enabling very low breathing with minimal head turn
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Old 03-03-2018
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This is almost POPOV timing

recovery arm makes oppositite connection with lead arm forcing instant catch through the shoulders moving forward and back in the logitudinal plane
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Old 03-03-2018
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A 2BK is a natural development from this rhythm cycle it will just appear as a flick down the leg originating at the hip and ending at the toes.

Dont try for it, relax and it will appear
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Incan almost feel the catching arm pulling the recovery arm through sometimes and then there is no focus on recovery arm swimming becomes just a rhythmical feeling
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This is where (in my humble opinion) 3TS / Broken Arrow / layout drill can help with the connection between the lead arm catch and high side arm recovery through the shoulders.
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