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Old 11-01-2011
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I mean reaching forward so that the shoulder and not just the arm moves forwards relative to the torso. Underwater shots of Grant Hackett are a good illustration.

I have a theory about why people, including TI swimmers, don't reach forward enough, by the way. It's that reaching more means rotating more, and rotating more means 'losing balance' more. Instinct tries to avoid that.
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Old 11-03-2011
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A synergistic moment happened in my swimming that I thought deserved an update on this heated post.

I am now 8 months into my swimming training (TI and I fell in love on valentines day) and had been struggling with my catch, pull and comfort on my predominant breathing side.

My left arm always felt hackett like, strong and vertical, whereas my right was raggier and my elbow dropped a lot.

When I practised in the lounge or in front of the mirror all looked symmetrical and felt correct but I couldn't repeat this in the water.

On Monday of this week I suddenly realised that my arm needed to prepare the catch on my breathing side before I began rolling for air. Its obvious it simple but during the course of learning to breathe I had picked up a bad habit, and I was starting my rotation for air from the extension of the spear.

This tiny change had a huge impact.

My stroke now feels balanced in the water, I can roll to air easier with a relaxed nodding head. My right arm feels as propulsive as my left, bilateral breathing is much simpler and I can keep time with my TT at 15% faster pace than before.

Just my own example of how one small oversight corrected has benefitted 5 or 6 other parts of my stroke and increased my speed and endurance significantly overnight.
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In other words, 'synergy' is another name for things interacting. I don't think anyone disputes that the world is made of parts which affect each other.

My kettle question remains unanswered.
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My goodness! Linear systems, something about the function of a kettle, synergy, incrementalism, exponentialism and abstuse (I had to look that one up although it sounded like a combination of abstract and obtuse) questions - very heady. Let me try this from my 2.7 GPA point of view.

My dad plays the piano because he loves it. Never had a lesson and never practiced - in the drilling sense. He might have skimmed a book on theory once upon a time. His "goal" was to do something he loved. Along the way he became incrementally better. That's one way to go about something.

The other way is to decide you want to play the piano and embark upon formalized training with lessons and drills. I suppose these people probably experienced exponential improvement compared to him initially, but after a while they both settle into good piano players.
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There are videos posted here of people who claim to have discovered TI many years ago, yet appear to be stuck in a deep technical rut. Is your advice just keep looking for the increments?
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My answer to your original question is either first or second view is valid. You claimed that if you subscribe to the first view (I do), you weren't asking enough of your practice. I disagree.

I get a ton out of my practice sessions (workout, whatever). Enjoyment and health benefits - that's all I ask of them. Along the way I try to incorporate TI tenets. I try different things, some stick, some don't. I get incremental improvement as a side benefit. I don't get all wigged out about attaining the perfect stroke. One which I don't employ is drilling - hate it! Boring. I may be able to have a bigger leap forward with a focus on drilling but it's at the expense of enjoying my time in the water.
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Old 11-04-2011
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And your advice?
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Old 11-04-2011
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A kettle without water is useless. A kettle with water allows you to make any number of hot drinks. Is that synergy?
Lawrence,


No, that isn't synergy just as a car engine doesn't become synergised with petrol (especially if it is a diesel)

A story to Explain synergy for you.

2 small businesses has 10 employees. their business is the development, marketing, promotion and sales of a revolutionary swimming technique called Total immersion.

The employees of the first business meet up once a year, discuss what they agree Total immersion is and then go away to their respective states and individually develop the technique, create their individual dvd's, build their own customer database etc etc.

The employees of the second business allocate the key functions of the business to a specialist in the team. One takes care of the strategy and concept development, one does workshop bookings, the other takes care of technical issues etc etc. the employees also meet regular to discuss ideas, work as a team and to communicate pertinent issues to one another.

In the first business model, a large amount of work is repeated, ideas aren't shared and the business moves forward at a linear rate based on each individuals abilities and success.

In the second business model, each employee shares the benefits of someone else's contribution and the company has the opportunity to grow exponentially.

Or a practical example.

Go out to your hardware store and buy some araldite (2 part glue)

Put a dollop of tube one on your left index finger and a dollop of tube two on your right index finger. Press your two fingers together and hold for 20 seconds. You will now experience and "A Ha" moment where you understand synergy

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Question still avoided. The kettle, not car engines, please.

It seems I was right. 'Synergy' is just a fancy word for things interacting. Everything interacts, however. It isn't news and it adds nothing to describe something as displaying synergy.

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Old 11-06-2011
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I did answer your question. I said No.

Synergy comes from the Greek word synergia, meaning joint work and cooperative action.

Synergy is when the result is greater than the sum of the parts. Synergy is created when things work in concert together to create an outcome that is in some way of more value than the total of what the individual inputs is.


Posting a letter would be very expensive without synergy.
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