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Old 03-23-2013
haschu33 haschu33 is offline
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Since you asked for it, caronis…
I read that article and my first impression is that of someone being extremely extreme - no surprise. Also a sense of self-aggression comes to my mind. Why being so cruel to oneself, aren't there easier ways to be happy?
On the other hand there is a sense of exceptional endurance, exceptional determination, and an exceptional mindset in an exceptional person.

I get the impression with Diana Nyad – and the same with Steve Jobs – that the fact that they obviously undertake great perseverance and endurance to 'prove' something is born out of a psychological deficiency. In these both cases out of a feeling of being unworthy, having no or not much self-esteem. And although the point seems to be to prove something to others and the world, in reality it means trying to prove something to oneself. These kind of concepts about oneself have a strong tendency to resist reality. It can very well happen that Diana Nyad succeeds in her swim and the entire world is deeply impressed, and only she and her feeling of being unworthy remain unchanged. I deeply hope that this will not be the case.

I have admiration for both, Diana Nyad and Steve Jobs. Both have (had) great mental capabilities, a great spirit and in some ways amazing results. But both to my opinion have wasted their great gifts on pursuing goals which do or did not bring them the results they hoped for - independently of what the rest of the world might think of it. All that out of misunderstanding themselves and their own minds. There is something like an ultimate, unshakable happiness, but that cannot be acquired like this. That's why I said what a waste, and that is true for both of them.

I sometimes wonder if among those who show extreme and outstanding worldly success you can find anyone who is mentally and emotionally sound.

Which brings me to Terry ;-)
I don't know Terry personally, as I don't know Diana Nyads and didn't know Steve Jobs personally, so I can base my observations on publically available information only, which can be quite misleading.
Anyway, from all what I have seen/read about Terry he is a mentally quite sound person with some amazing characteristics. He has a great sense of observation, is able to analyze things to their ground, can stand his viewpoint against the mainstream, runs almost unwittingly into spiritual experiences and is easily able to identify them, and has a great determination. And he has an open mind, which probably is a basis for some of these characteristics.
But I don't understand why he stops with those spiritual experiences without pursuing this further one. If I use an image then this seems to me like someone who is standing in the shallow end of a newly discovered ultimately beautiful pool with his legs in the most amazing water and refuses to swim through it because he doesn't want to lose the nice feeling of standing in the shallow end. Thereby ignoring that swimming through it doesn't make the nice experience go away but instead only adds more of amazing experiences to it.
Great picture, right?

That always puzzled me, and at times I tried to provoke him in some posts a little bit but it never worked. As if he is refusing to give up the that self image of a swimmer, at no cost. But there is no human being in this world who is limited to be a swimmer.
Anyway, just provoking a bit again ;-)

So that's my opinion about Diana Nyad et al.
But I cannot see anything wrong or 'suspicious' in 'normal' Marathon swimmers. I think it is a great sport. I personally don't have too much desire for it and I have some other priorities anyway.

Just be aware of extremes, friends.

Hang on in there…

Last edited by haschu33 : 03-24-2013 at 04:36 AM.
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